In this comment, I will share my opinion regarding the lifespan of patents; in particular the one’s dealing with digital technologies. Based on diverse readings, I will finally attempt to determinate what should be the patent duration of such inventions that respects honorably the inventor’s rights.
First of all, I am truly aware that the existence of patents is essential… Read more
In this comment, I will share my opinion regarding the lifespan of patents; in particular the one’s dealing with digital technologies. Based on diverse readings, I will finally attempt to determinate what should be the patent duration of such inventions that respects honorably the inventor’s rights.
First of all, I am truly aware that the existence of patents is essential to our economy growth in a manner that it protects intellectual property and respect the inventor itself. Besides, taking out a patent provides name recognition for the inventors which foster their willingness to further innovate by fulfilling new ideas in order to contribute to the social welfare. That is all very well in theory but it often occurs in a less smoothly way…
One has to bear in mind that patent application in technology industry is harder to obtain due to the high level of competition. Indeed, there has been an astonishing growth in terms of innovative products for the last two decades leading to a tremendous market where patents seem to be used not only as an efficient weapon against competitors but also as a strong deterrent for the entry. Moreover, each patent issue ends often in long and costly lawsuits which often deal with details on the product but have huge impact on their sales. As a matter of fact, I can only regret these amounts of money wasted instead of allocate it in the Research and Development field.
As far as I am concerned, I see no other alternative but to strengthen the criteria of patent application in order to diminish the extravagant number of applications, but in the meantime, in a measure that would keep the patent as an incentive to innovate. Furthermore, the patent office should be strict and meticulous on assessing the credibility and the legitimacy of the patent application submitted. For instance, Apple succeeds to take out the patent 8,086,604 (dealt with voice recognition) after its tenth attempt. In other words, they win thanks to its perseverance to send one after another. For this reason, I go along with what Ms. Rai, an intellectual property expert at Duke University School of Law, claims: “there’s a lot wrong with the process”.
Regarding the duration of patent, I have overviewed different points of view but it remains difficult to fix a specific period, notably due to the diverse types of patent that exist. However, the framework of Nordhaus helps us to understand that there should be a right balance between the incentives to innovate and its diffusion, i.e. stimulate the innovation while pleasing consumer surplus. Therefore, I agree with Fabian de Smet in a way that, I believe a 7 years length would be sufficient to maintain inventors motivated and firms to further invest in Research and Development.
The pace at which new software versions come on the market – each three years on average – would be a reasonable time for copyright to last.
I can see several reasons for it:
- Companies need to keep up-to-date their products with the trends of the market and fight obsolescence. They want to attract new consumers and convince old ones that the… Read more
The pace at which new software versions come on the market – each three years on average – would be a reasonable time for copyright to last.
I can see several reasons for it:
– Companies need to keep up-to-date their products with the trends of the market and fight obsolescence. They want to attract new consumers and convince old ones that the new version is safer and better. These factors allow them to stay competitive towards their competitors.
– New uses and habits flourish along customers. These customs have to be incorporated in the new versions.
– Companies also have to stay at the competitors’ level, in order not to be left off.
– In the software market, it becomes easier to copy an innovation without falling into the reach of its copyright.
Furthermore, nowadays, in the computer and software sectors, a period of 3 years is a (very) long time. In several months a computer or a program could be outdated.
All these reasons drive innovative companies not only to invest in R&D but also to file copyrights in order to keep a short advantage towards their competitors.
So, even if the copyright length is longer than 3 years, I would recommend the authorities to reduce it.
According to me, the patent length for the software industry has to be relatively short. This type of industry has a quick life. Indeed, a new technology or program is quickly obsolete. So I think that a good duration is 2 of 3 years.
However, patent is not adapted for all sectors and industries and isn’t always only used for… Read more
According to me, the patent length for the software industry has to be relatively short. This type of industry has a quick life. Indeed, a new technology or program is quickly obsolete. So I think that a good duration is 2 of 3 years.
However, patent is not adapted for all sectors and industries and isn’t always only used for protection. Big firms use patent as a bargaining chip, even more if it’s a complex industry; like we see in the course and that’s the case with the software industry. The patent has been turned away from its fundamental goal: protection.
Moreover, the software industry has already a lot of patents and it’s become more and more complex to be sure that our patent is unique and not a simple copy of another one. It’s true that they are more and more lawsuits (like Samsung and Apple) and it’s become quite difficult to determine if a program bring new process or ideas. I think that the patent is not adapted to context of new technologies and software. There exist other tools to protect software like copyrights and trade secrets (like said Ieva Jurgalane in her comment).
For SMEs, the patents are really important to protect their ideas. It’s difficult for a SME to survive and this protection help them because they don’t have the same means that big firms. It’s important to support SME because they are important in the economic growth and for the innovation (EU has different policy to encourage SME). But, if a small firm wants to patent herself, the costs for doing this are really high for this type of enterprise compared to big firms. SME can’t assume the fixed cost of patening. Obviously, large firms are more able to keep their patents and have better competence that SME to design them. So, the patent system is not adapted for SMEs… But, patent can be a signal for growing SME that are searching for potential investors.
I agree that a special policy should be designed for SMEs (e.g., by reducing their costs of accessing to IP protection).
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I would like to highlight one unfortunate consequence that software patents has led to- a flurry of patent litigations . Today software patents has resulted in millions of dollars being sunk by software majors like Apple into patent litigation around the world. For instance, between Apple and Samsung alone, more than 50 cases are pending throughout the globe. What is… Read more
I would like to highlight one unfortunate consequence that software patents has led to- a flurry of patent litigations . Today software patents has resulted in millions of dollars being sunk by software majors like Apple into patent litigation around the world. For instance, between Apple and Samsung alone, more than 50 cases are pending throughout the globe. What is emerging is a disturbing trend to formulate strategy based on court cases rather than designing new and innovative products to win markets. Consider for instance-a smart phone; With continuously reducing product life cycle, today a life cycle for a particular model is as low as 6 months. Hence even say a company manages to get a temporary ban on a competitor’s product till the case is decided(say a month of one or two for a developed country) ,the profit impact is huge for the company as it necessarily means for one third of the cycle, the competitor’s product is effectively kept out. What is has resulted in a witch hunt by companies throwing up increasingly creative allegations of patent infringement through a dozen cases all over the globe-after all,even if one clicks, it means huge profits; Such a behavior by companies will only result in innovation all over the world being discouraged as new innovators now will now have to be constantly wary of any new innovation they develop lest a patent case be dropped on them. There also has been increasing instances of parties simply patenting a software without any intention to market it but to simply hold smaller companies for ransom in case they develop similar softwares. http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn-uk/news-analysis/2203878/protecting-property-or-impeding-innovation
Hence it’s extremely important that patents are sharp and well defined leaving no room for error and must also be very specific and heavy penalties must also be imposed by courts for such witch-hunts for the future of innovation to be saved;
No room for smaller companies to innovate due to software patents ?
After the very strong coverage on the net and on the media of the war opposing Apple and Samsung on software patent last summer, the debate on software protection is opened.
Software is eligible for both copiright and patent protection. In fact, since the 1990s, courts have allowed… Read more
No room for smaller companies to innovate due to software patents ?
After the very strong coverage on the net and on the media of the war opposing Apple and Samsung on software patent last summer, the debate on software protection is opened.
Software is eligible for both copiright and patent protection. In fact, since the 1990s, courts have allowed software creators to seek both copyright and patent protections. On the one hand patents traditionally protect phisical processes while on the other hand copyrights protect written and audivisual works. In contrast with the Copyright protection that is granted automatically, obtaining a patent is an expensive process. However nowadays there is an astonishing increase of software patents which has even forced some technology companies to spend financial resources, time and energy for their protection. In fact, according to the New York Times, in 2011, Apple and Google spent more on patent protection than in Resources and Development.
Or in theory, “patents provide a valuable protection system for inventors pursuing development of their inventions as well as a reward system for commercially valuable ideas.” We could conculde that big companies might use the sofware patent to maintain their monopoly and prevent smaller companies to enter to the market. Which is obviously not the initial purpose. Patents are supposed to encourage innovation.
As far as I am concerned I think that patents may work in other sector, where the cost of innovation is that high that thanks to a monopoly situation the company could gain a return on their investment on researches and development. However in the software sector that investment-return ratio has different value and the duration of a software patent should be limited as 3 years instead of the actual 3,5 to 20 years in the U.S. In fact nowadays companies pay in tree steps (for 3,5 – 7,5 – 11,5 years ) to fully enjoy the 20 years protection. Another time, only big companies are able to support the fully length of the paten. Which conducts to state that the real victims of the software patents are the smaller companies. Consequently in order to enable smaller companies entering the market the cost of patents should be reduced. In this vision, I tend to think that may demotivated big companies to use their financial resources to abuse from their powerfull situation on the market.
sources :
Source: J. BESSEN, M. J. MEURER, Patent failure : how judges, bureaucrats, and lawyers put innovators at risk, Princeton University Press, 2008
We cannot argue with the fact that both, patents and copyrights are essential instruments when it comes to the protection of the ideas of its inventors/creators. Indeed, in my opinion, if one’s idea is not protected then people will put fewer efforts in developing new concepts. So these instruments serve, in a way, as “incentives” to produce innovative ideas… Read more
We cannot argue with the fact that both, patents and copyrights are essential instruments when it comes to the protection of the ideas of its inventors/creators. Indeed, in my opinion, if one’s idea is not protected then people will put fewer efforts in developing new concepts. So these instruments serve, in a way, as “incentives” to produce innovative ideas since it guarantees their ownership on their inventions/ideas.
Concerning the issue of “patent duration”, I think nowadays, in a society where innovation and technology are the basis of the economic development, it is probably interesting to review the existing laws on patent and maybe consider the possibility of adapting the duration of a patent – depending on the type of innovation or, why not, depending on a particular sector of production – .
For example, the case of software patents should certainly be reduced since “the developments in software technology are very rapid, and (thus) it may not be worth paying for the patent application when significant changes are often being made to software programs” (cfr. http://www.invents.com/software-patents-pros-and-cons/ ). Moreover, if we keep the normal duration of 20 years – in the case of software patent -, it could also be undesirable and harmful since during the patent duration, inventors will not improve and innovate their initial idea as it is already protected. We can add that since acquiring patent is very costly and takes time (due to the great amount of paperwork), it might not always be beneficial to software programs who changes regularly to adapt the market. I also think that, in this case, copyrights would be more interesting since, with or without patent, new software is almost every time developed on the basis of old concepts; and the inventor will always receive credits for his work.
If patent where to be used on software, I would suggest a short duration of 5 to 6 years, which would, be enough considering their rapid development. Indeed, we can observe that some software’s, after 2 years, are already considered “old”. In this case, we can also highlight the important role played by consumers in the life duration of software.
Finally, concerning the issue of “harmonizing the patent law of US and Europe” underlined by Fabian DE SMET in his comment, I also agree that it is an interesting idea. However, “More Transparency” is needed on both sides concerning regulations and existing patent in order to effectively harmonize the laws. I think the harmonization should go toward the American standards, which in my opinion, protects more the inventor. For example, small inventors would benefit more from this system since ownership is attributed to the person who first invented the idea and not to the one who was first able to file it. Of course, this requires developing the rights tools to examine correctly who is the original inventor.
Other sources :
Belleflamme and Peitz, “Industrial Organization: Markets and Strategies”, Chapter 19: Intellectual property, 2009, p. 510-511. http://www.iusmentis.com/patents/uspto-epodiff/ http://inventorspot.com/articles/small_american_inventor_about_be_9759
Patents in software unlike other types, for example music, have a particular treatment, since the lifetime of such technology is short compared for example with a song, which can be used for life, and the software in comparison, due to the constant race to make new and better programs, computers, smartphones, etc. it has a lower life. However this does… Read more
Patents in software unlike other types, for example music, have a particular treatment, since the lifetime of such technology is short compared for example with a song, which can be used for life, and the software in comparison, due to the constant race to make new and better programs, computers, smartphones, etc. it has a lower life. However this does not mean that they have to protect themselves, but the time should be lower.
When a new software is launched, if it is expected by consumers, typically it will have higher sales resulting from those people who are waiting for it and those who like to try new things, after conservatives will buy it and skeptics at the end, but this happens in a very short time since later, there will be the new software version waiting to be launched and the previous one becomes obsolete.
We cannot forget that not all societies and countries have the same economic power to purchase a good or service. In places where income is lower, is likely to use software that is not the latest version because for them it is still functional and they are not interested in having the latest version until technology forces them to jump to the next level because there is no support anymore or many of the programs are no longer compatible with your software.
In the case of “trolls” which register general patents to get a benefit later, after large companies release something similar and make it profitable, there should be some regulation for example, if that patent was not used in a certain period of time, let’s say 2 years, it should lose validity to claim royalties on any product, process or similar service.
Therefore I consider that a reasonable time for the length of software patents is 10 years since it allows the creator to get profits from their use, and after that time, few people will use it for commercial purposes but can be used for other purposes like academic, research, charitable or otherwise.
I would like to talk about the global patent system and the process of how a patent is legally reviewed. According to Stanford University analysis, companies have spent around $20 billion on patent litigation and purchases in the last two years and Google and Apple have spent more money on patent law suits and purchases than on R&D for new… Read more
I would like to talk about the global patent system and the process of how a patent is legally reviewed. According to Stanford University analysis, companies have spent around $20 billion on patent litigation and purchases in the last two years and Google and Apple have spent more money on patent law suits and purchases than on R&D for new products.
In the recent patent war between Apple and Samsung, the two companies have been suing each other over patent infringements, allegedly committed by the opposing party in the context of recently developed smartphones and tablets. The patents held by apple and apparently infringed on by Samsung include both design and utility patents and those held by Samsung are mainly utility patents. The conflict between the two companies has been carried to around 10 different countries through out the globe with varying rulings in different countries. In the US Apple managed to achieve a verdict largely in favour of their interests, whereas in South Korea and Japan the result was more in favour of Samsung. Now, is it surprising that each company won major cases in their respect country of origin?
First of all I would like to take a small look at the patent system on an international basis. Since the establishment of the Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) in 1970 and somewhat more unified system has been introduced globally to facilitate the application of patents in different countries. The applicant submits its patent, which is then analysed by an official body. The initial application is then followed with a regional phase, during which the applicant has to apply for a patent in the specific countries. In effect there is no such thing as an international patents, but the system grants various benefit, such as a priority status for the regional phase, after successfully completing the international phase. Having different patents in different countries, then obviously results in different law suits in different countries. The initial aim of the suing company is to achieve an injunction on the sale of the infringing product, after which the suing party seeks to receive a money payment for resulted damages.
So the aim is to avoid conflicting verdicts of different international judicial bodies on the grounds of national interest and to significantly decrease litigation cost for innovative companies.
I can think of two possible solutions for such a system (1) a further development of the PCT into a system of global patents or (2) a unified and global system for reviewing legal claims on patents or an “international court of patents”. In order for (1) to work differences in the process of granting a patent, such as between the US and the EU regarding software patents, must be reviewed and worked out in favour of a multilateral solution. (2) would require the establishment of an international institution and the relegation of a certain degree of sovereignty by the participating countries regarding patents, which might pose a problem.
A lot of debate has been going on in recent times regarding software patents. Following are the arguments given in defence of software patents. They can be classified as under:
a. They help the companies in maintaining the competitive edge by giving them the rights over the intellectual property.
b. Patents are to be disclosed in public by giving a… Read more
A lot of debate has been going on in recent times regarding software patents. Following are the arguments given in defence of software patents. They can be classified as under:
a. They help the companies in maintaining the competitive edge by giving them the rights over the intellectual property.
b. Patents are to be disclosed in public by giving a detailed explanation, thus they educate us about the ongoing developments in the industry and encourage us to innovate.
c. The valuation of small companies can increase on account of patents. Thus they encourage the companies to innovate.
Many experts argue that copyright is sufficient for patents. They allow the creator to prevent another entity from copying the program. Patents, however, give the owners right to prevent others from using a claimed invention, even if it was independently developed and there was no copying involved. They protect the functionality while copyrights on the other hand protect only expression.
The software patents are opposed on the following grounds
a. Progress is highly sequential in the software industry and is done in a large number of small steps, each following the preceding one. By setting a high patent fee, the patent holder can hinder the future progress. Similarly, according to Michael Valek (a lawyer specializing in intellectual property law with the law firm of Vinson & Elkins LLP), to maintain the high growth of innovation in software industry, the software developers should be free to use the broad concepts pioneered by others as long as the actual code is not copied.
b. Another argument given against the software patents is that they allow monopolies and powerful companies to exclude others. In this manner, software patents hinder innovation.
c. There is a huge cost involved in clearance search and determining if a particular piece of software infringes any issued patents. A study in 2008 found that total profits from patents (excluding pharmaceuticals) in 1999 were about $4 billion, but the litigations cost amounted to $14 billion.
d. Many patents are granted for trivial developments or those that are obvious. Any new feature in a particular software is granted a patent.
e. A small start-up company has to pay a huge amount in license fee and has to go through a large number of legal procedures to check if the software it is developing is already patented or not. This discourages innovation instead of encouraging it.
In my opinion, 20 years is too long a duration for software patents. Even 5 years is a very long time in this highly growth intensive and a dynamic industry which is so much dependent on previous works to progress further. A lot of resources are wasted in non productive activities (litigations, clearance etc) which could otherwise be used for other R&D expenditures. Also, suitable checks and measures are required to ensure that patents are not granted for obvious and trivial concepts.
I believe that software patent should be granted for a maximum period of 3 years. This duration should be flexible and not fixed because a lot of time is spent in the granting of patent itself. For this, a possible solution could be the creation of a governing authority dedicated solely to software patents (given that this field is receiving so many of them).
Sources and References:
a. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120705/13315119597/judge-posner-do-most-industries-even-need-patents.shtml
b. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/technology/patent-wars-among-tech-giants-can-stifle-competition.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
c. http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/13/1543.full
d. http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20121016/17211920722/nobel-prize-winning-economist-eric-maskin-highly-innovative-industries-it-may-be-better-to-scrap-patents.shtml
e. http://www.researchoninnovation.org/swconf/webbinkslides.pdf
In the course of the debate several arguments have been given for and against the length of patents in all kinds of industries but one of them can be frequently heard: Patents increase the incentive to invest. Protecting intellectual property rights seem to be a necessary condition to make firms push their R&D department – the longer the patent is… Read more
In the course of the debate several arguments have been given for and against the length of patents in all kinds of industries but one of them can be frequently heard: Patents increase the incentive to invest. Protecting intellectual property rights seem to be a necessary condition to make firms push their R&D department – the longer the patent is valid, the greater the incentive becomes. This point was made by some people on the blog already and is used as a common justification by executives to advocate patents. Also William Nordhaus thinks along similar lines: His mathematical model is so constructed that the reader is given to understand causality between the length of a patent and the firm’s effort to invest. But after having read the New York Times article I have serious doubts as to whether this can be taken as a natural law in real life or if it rather concerns a theoretical construct. In this context I would like to elaborate the importance of start-ups for innovations and the impact of patents on the latter in greater detail to see this point from a different perspective.
The role of start-ups and their importance for innovative ideas should be clear to everybody but let me name a few of the main aspects briefly: Firstly they identify new consumer needs. Creating products that fulfil customer’s needs better than others, is the only possible way to take hold on the market next to old-established firms. Secondly start-ups identify where innovation is needed by improving existing goods or adding special features and applications. And, lastly, start-ups identify new business opportunities. This point is obviously linked to the previous of searching for market gaps and developing new solutions. But what the New York Times article clarifies to me was mainly how much upcoming start-ups suffer from the patent system in general.
The main negative aspect new start-ups suffer from is the immense amount of money they have to budget. We are not just talking about the costs for developing new products but also applying for patents (maybe several times) and leading long lasting court cases against other patentees. The necessity to buy licences from other patent holders in order to fulfil product standards (standard-essential patents) makes this problem even worse. Due to the fact that the financial opportunities of start-ups are usually strongly limited there is a real danger that discounted costs exceed expected return by far. This problem grows with increasing length of patents.
Another negative consequence for start-ups of the patent system (maybe not in general but definitely in the case of the inefficient US patent system) is the huge amount of time that has to be invested. Rather doing research on new technology entrepreneurs spend time on applying for patents and defending themselves in court. The NYT article sets a really nice example underlining this tiring process. Mr. Philipps, a specialist in human voice recognition and former partner of Apple’s SIRI project, eventually quit the industry being weary of all the time he has spent in court proceedings.
At this point I would like to hint at recent research results examining the impact of intellectual property patents on innovations from several perspectives and eventually denying a positive relationship. The team of two American researchers from Boston University made use of an historical perspective on different industries, a cross-country comparison and natural ‘economic experiments’ to make their final conclusion. Although I cannot judge the academic correctness of the paper, the approach seems reasonable to me. A summary and the reference to the paper are given here (1).
Coming to a conclusion, I’m convinced that the length of patents has to be as short as possible. Therefore I agree to the previous speakers having proposed 1-3 years – although they follow another way of argumentation. In my opinion, the longer the patents are valid, the more discouraged are motivated entrepreneurs. In other words, patents don’t create added value but bureaucracy and are gifts for established firms to protect their leading position.
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(1) http://keithsawyer.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/do-patents-increase-innovation/
I'd like to point out why in my opinion software patents, particularly long patents may harm the software developing sector.
Let us consider a sector where the competition is very hard, and innovations have to be made at an extremely fast pace like in the operation systems of mobile devices where Apple (iOS), Google (Android), Windows, Nokia (Symbian) and RIM… Read more
I’d like to point out why in my opinion software patents, particularly long patents may harm the software developing sector.
Let us consider a sector where the competition is very hard, and innovations have to be made at an extremely fast pace like in the operation systems of mobile devices where Apple (iOS), Google (Android), Windows, Nokia (Symbian) and RIM (Blackberry OS) among others are constantly developing their software suites in order to be at the edge of technological progress and offer even more possibilities and features to the user.
The competitors are not only competing in their respective R&D and developing centers, but it is frequent that they also “compete” in court because of copyright and patent infringement.
As some of the other comments pointed out, espacially in the US patents often concern a very vague concept, or a small algorithm of a few lines.
David Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer of Google pointed out (see http://googleblog.blogspot.be/2011/08/when-patents-attack-android.html) that there is a “patent war” among the competitors. One competitor (Drummond is speaking of Microsoft) buy patents in order the make the use of the software of the other competitors more expensive.
This war harms the creation of new ideas, the innovation is often limited to a small improvement of the software without many changes or revolutionary progress.
Particularly for an open-source software developer, the patent war may dissuade from participation in the development of a free and open-source software and thus slow down the innovation.
For almost every software there is an free and open-source alternative (for example OpenOffice or LibreOffice for Microsoft Office). Those alternatives are constantly improved. A patent may prevent the development of a free alternative, and the longer the patent is, the more the user has to pay the often expensive and patented version of the software even before the free alternative is created.
It is true that patents increase the return on R&D and may induce to innovate, which is obviously a good thing.
But long patent duration in a sector where innovation has to be made in a very fast speed and the user community is constantly seeking for and improvement and also participates in the development, harms the innovation.
To recommend a duration of a software patent I have to make a trade-off: return on R&D with a position in the market due to the patent which may encourage innovation vs. the negative effect of a patent war which may slow down innovation. Long patent duration is in my opinion out of question for the software sector. Thus I would recommend a short duration patent (0-2) years [ even if as a Linux user I would tend to say no patent duration at all].
Nevertheless, what is absolutely necessary is the reform of the patent system, particularly in the US, which could make the patent war which is actually going on in this sector (but not only in this sector) come to an end.
Patents exist since the 15th century – they were created to incentivize innovation by assuring returns sufficient to recover R&D costs and grant profitability to the inventor. Their strength is that anybody who is able to translate an idea into practical and useful terms can be rewarded with a patent (if he/she is quick enough to ask for the… Read more
Patents exist since the 15th century – they were created to incentivize innovation by assuring returns sufficient to recover R&D costs and grant profitability to the inventor. Their strength is that anybody who is able to translate an idea into practical and useful terms can be rewarded with a patent (if he/she is quick enough to ask for the patent before having someone stealing his/her invention). And this happen in all sectors. Which is great, because it guarantees that innovation takes place everywhere.
The issue of IT patents became extremely relevant when the mass of consumers started using computers in their offices and then in their houses. Demand for hardware and software boomed, and producers had to keep innovating to satisfy consumers’ thirst of new gadgets and applications.
Since a patent-free world would lead to insufficient innovation, I believe the European Patent Office does a good job in protecting innovation. In fact, it grants a patent only to real novelties, to those inventions that are not just a “copy and paste plus some improvements” of old ones. By securing protection for 5 years, EPO would make sure new technology is produces, R&D costs are recovered and consumers could soon maximize their surplus. It is true that software needs months or years to reach the mass, but usually it does when it is under copyright/patent protection. Thus, consumers would have their first experiences with that original product and they would set their standards on it. Consequently, when the patent expires, those who want the original program will still purchase it at a high price (because of the availability of continuous updates which increase the value of the software), while those who are satisfied with substitutes will get them almost for free. An example is provided by Adobe’s Photoshop – no matter how many similar products exist in the market –such as Picasa, Canvas and Picnik – people will still buy Photoshop, because it has become the reference program. The fact that in new dictionaries it is possible to find the verb “to photoshop” is an additional proof of it.
To conclude: the IT sector has been expanding for years, and it is not going to stop soon. Thus, it is right to protect innovations so as to foster new ones, but patents should not last for long (5 years might be a good amount of time) to keep up with the quick and massive changes that characterize the sector.
Many years back, the debate was more about whether software patents are necessary. Today, since software patents are so widespread, the debate is now about how long a software patent should be, which is in line with the discussion question above.
The main benefit of a software patent:is to create more incentives for innovation, which will benefit society as a whole.… Read more
Many years back, the debate was more about whether software patents are necessary. Today, since software patents are so widespread, the debate is now about how long a software patent should be, which is in line with the discussion question above.
The main benefit of a software patent:is to create more incentives for innovation, which will benefit society as a whole. Arguments against software patents include increased legal costs, a reduction in competition which slows down the pace of innovation
In modern society, software technology evolves at such a rapid pace that sometimes it is difficult to keep up with them. Therefore it may not be necessary for a software patent to be more than 3 years since changes are often being made to the software. These 3 years might just allow enough time for the software creator to reap substantial profits on his innovation, while allowing him to come up with a better version of the software. More likely than not, software patents are used as a business strategy to increase their chances of acquisition by a bigger company. Therefore, I would suggest a maximum period of 3 years.
A patent is a form of intellectual property. It consists of a set of exclusive rights granted to an inventor. In my opinion, a patent is often necessary if we want to promote innovation. It is essential to motivate the development of technological inventions and the publication of innovative ideas. But to invest in an innovative project, the inventor must… Read more
A patent is a form of intellectual property. It consists of a set of exclusive rights granted to an inventor. In my opinion, a patent is often necessary if we want to promote innovation. It is essential to motivate the development of technological inventions and the publication of innovative ideas. But to invest in an innovative project, the inventor must have a positive expected profit. This justifies the presence of patent to safeguard the initial investment. However, the patent has its positive and negative sides.
On one hand, create new things often require a long period in which the inventor receives no income as a result. So, a patent is necessary if you want to reward people for their innovation because they work usually intensively on a project before seeing any benefit effect.
On the other hand, too much protection reduces competition because it prevents the entry on the market by other rival firms. Furthermore, it’s not efficient if the innovation stays trapped with only one inventor. Everybody should be able to take advantage of the invention, even if the creator is not in favor.
The dilemma at the creation of patent is to balance those two competing goals thanks to a time optimal protection
As regards the software patents duration, the optimal period of time is a rather subjective criterion. A too short timing can be harmful to the inventor because the return on investment may be insufficient and therefore prevents innovation. To reach efficiency, firm should price at the marginal cost and thus makes zero profit. However, this is not sustainable want firms must have a profit incentive to take the risk of investing in R&D. Besides, if we don’t grant patents to inventors, most of the firms will wait that other firms make discoveries. This problem is very marked in a competitive sector such as computer sector where each discovery helps the other researchers to innovate.
Instead, a too long patent reduces the growth of the economy because ideas protected by a patent cannot be developed further by other researchers. And it is not sensible to offer a long patent (for example 15 years) in such an evolving sector where discovery is rapidly obsolete. In addition, the creators see no incentive to innovate as they enjoy patent protection. This is inefficient for the market. To grow the market needs to be boosted in its mature phase, particularly through innovation. The consumer may also feel a disadvantage because the diversity of supply is restricted due to low investment in R & D. In short, I think a short patent’s duration (two years for example) is enough to boost the innovation because the computer technology is quickly obsolete.
Based on the model of William Nordhaus, see how to fix the optimal duration of patent. The objective is to find the ideal degree of protection to reach the efficient equilibrium. This balance would both encourage innovation without the innovating firms remain on their laurels after their discovery launched. A positive marginal profit is required to egg on innovations. The producer needs a large positive surplus to start highly risked project like software innovation. The expected benefit should increase thanks to the patent because it is a form of entry barrier which reduces competition and allows the firm to retain or to increase its market share. But we can take into account the marginal loss in terms of consumer surplus. The duration of the patent tends to maximize the social welfare. First, a limited duration of patents fights against monopoly power because when patent expires the competition emerges. Secondly, a short-term patent stimulates firms to diversify in order to benefit from a new patent to offset the expiration of the former patent.
In my view, the question of the duration of the patent is not the only issue. The heart of the problem is rather in the patent criteria which must be strengthened in order to avoid too broad patents. Often the patent is so vague that the holder possesses a means of claiming the ownership of another idea that was not originally intended to be patented.
In addition, patent law should be the same all around the world. Laws should be harmonized so that all countries are on equal footing when innovation emerges. In this case, investors would have no interest to invest in innovation abroad rather than in its country of origin to increase their profit. This may be an interesting reflection to understand massive investments in some countries more or less legalized…
I believe that software patents should be kept as short as possible, and I will endeavour to explain why below. The purpose of the patent itself is to encourage innovation, as it gives the patent holder protection for some period from his/her idea getting copied, thus giving the innovator incentive to well, innovates. However in the case of software, I… Read more
I believe that software patents should be kept as short as possible, and I will endeavour to explain why below. The purpose of the patent itself is to encourage innovation, as it gives the patent holder protection for some period from his/her idea getting copied, thus giving the innovator incentive to well, innovates. However in the case of software, I think software patents actually stunt rather than encourage innovation, and I endeavour to explain why below.
Patents are given for ideas that are new, commercially viable and not arising out of common sense. While checking this criterion might have been easy for something mechanical (which is what patent law originally strove to protect), it is much more difficult in check for software ideas. The reason for this is simple: Software patents are given for intangible ideas and concepts, and it is simply plain difficult for the patent office (here I refer to the US patent office, which issues patents for such ideas, not the European office which doesn’t, or at least, is not supposed to) to check whether the idea in question is indeed unobvious in the case of a field that is as dynamic as technology. Software ideas are also mathematical and not mechanical in nature, and can hence be explained in terms that make it sound new and unobvious. This has resulted in cases such as Amazon being able to patent its one touch click system (which I for one do not think is unobvious), or cases where the same concept is issued two patents, just because the patents are written differently.
What this means is that software patents are being issued for just about every new feature used in a software. Sometimes software patents are also unusually broad – examples for both trivial and broad software patents can be found here – http://webshop.ffii.org/
Thus anyone looking to develop a new software has to navigate through a veritable minefield of patents. Avoiding them is generally not an option, as some of these are features that most users would expect from their program, neither is licensing them, as a small startup would not be able to afford license fees for so many patents. A software is also a complicated beast, utilising millions of different components and features (more so than any mechanical device) and therefore potentially, in violation of millions of patents. There are also cases where a company might not be in violation of any patent when it just starts working on a program, but might suddenly find itself in violation of patents if newer ones are released during the development cycle.
Hence, software patents actually discourage innovation, or at least cause a significant amount of overhead for innovators in ensuring that their programs are free of patent infringements – Companies could even be redirecting money from their R&D departments to their patent lawyers. The paper by Bessen and Maskin shows this to be the case in an industry such as the software industry which relies on sequential improvements. Hence, according to the Nordhaus model, which works on finding a balance between incentives and use, the incentives far outweigh the benefits from use in the case of software patents. Therefore to solve this problem, I think software patents should be limited to say, two years – this is a lifetime in the technology industry, and gives the innovator enough time to build up other barriers for competitors, such as switching costs. Twenty years is too long in such a dynamic industry – twenty years ago, the internet for instance was just beginning to be popularly used. More importantly however, I think software patents should not be dished out like they are being dished out now, and should be only issued to ideas that are in fact new and unobvious. In case the logistics for this prove to be too difficult, then a case could be made for abolishing software patents altogether, for I think in their current form, they do more harm than good.
Firstly,Patents are being considered as an incentive for innovation to the developers,the developers today are moving more towards the line of providing applications which revolutionize the business processes or any processes for that matter-so the present call is that these patents should not be entry barriers for new entrants and further developments.
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Firstly,Patents are being considered as an incentive for innovation to the developers,the developers today are moving more towards the line of providing applications which revolutionize the business processes or any processes for that matter-so the present call is that these patents should not be entry barriers for new entrants and further developments.
In an industry like the software industry- I personally feel that the patent should be limited to less than 3 years and if necessary revised from time to time to lesser intervals,with changing times and wherein the software generations themselves are changing in less than 3 years a patent with more time will only hinder the overall growth of the entire ecosystem,If we reduce the time of patent,So that the innovator takes the responsibility of wide spreading his innovation/patent and thus give a larger audience the issue and thus reap in the benefits
Further,the industry too wouldn’t fall back because if the users of the patents know about its potential they would want to be a first mover which is very much necessary particularly in this regard and they would use the patent during the time itself as they know that it will anyway become obsolete once it expires
The companies too can afford to have shorter life spans for patents because if they stick to larger time spans other companies may devise similar patents which can be done by just tweaking the code and file another patent which is not healthy for the industry,So with lower timeframes other companies would be working on further developing more supreme codes and thus move towards a more robust software economy
Unlike the pharma industry wherein its not easy to develop the formula nor perform the clinical testing and costs a lot for the research and the time for realizing this investments needs to be more,Software patents are smaller compared to these but need more protection as its more based on the human capital,Hence a lower time frame would help the industry with faster growth and the is a potential for realizing the investment is always there
To start with, I would like to give my opinion on the pertinence of a patent for sofwares by comparing the pros and cons of copyrights and patents in the case of new softwares protection. Afterwards I will at last tackle the issue of the patent length.
Firstly, from the moment developers ask for a patent, it takes about two years… Read more
To start with, I would like to give my opinion on the pertinence of a patent for sofwares by comparing the pros and cons of copyrights and patents in the case of new softwares protection. Afterwards I will at last tackle the issue of the patent length.
Firstly, from the moment developers ask for a patent, it takes about two years for the protection to come into force. This is really problematic as the software has already been commercialized or even become obsolete in the meanwhile. On the other hand, a copyright takes effect immediately as soon as the software is created and costs much less money than the patent setting up.
However, the protection offered by a copyright is less broad than a patent one. Indeed, it prevents other software developers from copying a source code or an object, but it does not forbid them to create an equivalent software, as long as they use other codes. Thus, it doesn’t protect the idea in itself contrary to a patent. Nevertheless this is not necessarily something negative as it allows other developers to reuse a general idea and bring their own innovation to it, which enables to maintain innovation and, by extension, growth.
Consequently, it would be better to protect new softwares with copyrights as they are implemented immediately, which is more appropriate in a sector where technology constantly evolves very quickly. However, if a software with a significant innovation and advance is developed, then it would be more interesting to protect it with a patent. This is more about a kind of disruptive innovation. It requires more investments and implies sustainable changes in the long term, so its developers would not want their idea to be stolen and opt for a patent protection.
On the subject of the patent length, 20 years of protection is definitely too much as it doesn’t take that long for a software company to recover the costs of a new product and technologies change fast in this sector. If developers propose a small innovation and ask for a patent, which might not be the most fitted protection as I have just written above, then the patent length should be reduced to 5 years because the software should not involve very high costs. If a firm on the other hand brings a significant innovation that involves important investments, a protection of 10 years would be more reasonable.
Furthermore, as William Nordhaus specifies in his model, consumers’surplus will be maximized when the patent is over but the value of this benefit will be bigger if the patent length is shorter. Thus, a shorter patent should increase consumer welfare.But if it is too much shortened, it might discourage developers to innovate.
In conclusion, I think patent length should be shortened for a better consumer welfare and because the market structure does not jusify such a long period of protection. However, for small innovations, the use of a copyright would be more appropriate.
Patents encompass a framework that is supposed to work as a catalyst for innovation. Hence, the importance of the efficiency and effectiveness of patents should not be undisputed. As such, an as we have seen in the two contrasting set of patent policies: European Patent Office (EPO) vs. US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) . We can assert that… Read more
Patents encompass a framework that is supposed to work as a catalyst for innovation. Hence, the importance of the efficiency and effectiveness of patents should not be undisputed. As such, an as we have seen in the two contrasting set of patent policies: European Patent Office (EPO) vs. US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) . We can assert that a more flexible set of patent policies (i.e., U.S.) will increase the number of patents but also, it can increase the number of law suits between patent owners. But, who wants to be in a law suit? It seems that certain companies are making law suits for a living and profiting from them .
On the other hand, we have a set of policies for that is more restrictive (i.e., E.U). Therefore, we can foresee a lower number of patents and possibly a lower number of law suits. And this set of policies is where policy makers should be heading: to create a framework and environment propitious to bolster innovation. In this line, if we have a framework that discourages patent disputes and hence, leaves firms with more surpluses that otherwise would have gone to a law suit. Would they be willing to invest more in R&D? And this is where the issue of time matters. This issue leads us to the second conundrum, which is the durability of patents.
Certain countries like the U.S. have a fixed durability period for patents which is 20 years. But this time limit, for all innovations, is incongruent with the different industries it is supposed to protect. And the efficiency in patent rights should be granted for a period of time in accordance with the nature of each industry. As such, the 20 year mark for patents should remain for those innovations that do not have a fast pace of evolution, whereas in the case of software it should be shorter.
According to Richard Posner, from the day a firm has applied for a patent, the granting of the patent sometimes takes up to 3 years (Posner,2012). Hence, no patent should last less than the average time it takes for a patent to be granted. In addition, since the software industry evolves rapidly, the time for the validity of a patent should be set according to the cost of the innovation of the software and its profit through-out the spectrum of time (Nordaus, 1969). Assuming the profit will exceed costs in a period of 2 years for this industry. A total of 5 years should be optimal time for a patent for software to last.
I would like to add some information at this point. To some extent, the effective duration of a patent is chosen by the patentee himself or herself. In most countries, patentees have to pay renewal fees if they want their patent not to expire.
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I would like to add some information at this point. To some extent, the effective duration of a patent is chosen by the patentee himself or herself. In most countries, patentees have to pay renewal fees if they want their patent not to expire.
“Generally speaking, patents have a patent term that is 20 years from the earliest U.S. filing date, but to enjoy that full term, three separate and increasing maintenance fee payments must be made. Many pay the first maintenance fee payment, due at 3.5 years after the patent issues. Some pay the second maintenance fee payment, due at 7.5 years after the patent issues. Few pay the third maintenance fee payment, due at 11.5 years after the patent issues. Thus, only the most commercially valuable patents enjoy a term that goes beyond 8 years (which is the deadline to pay the second maintenance fee payment with a late surcharge).” (http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/10/11/what-the-ny-times-doesnt-understand-about-the-patent-system/id=28766/)
Of course, what is “commercially valuable” may be vaguely linked to the social value of the patented product or process. If the patent allows the patentee to block competitors in one way or another, it may be “commercially valuable” to maintain it although society as a whole would be much better off if the product or process was in the public domain.
It is undoubtedly true that intellectual property should be protected with exclusive rights that can be secured either with patents, trademarks, copyrights or other IP tools. While in the USA (and in world generally) the software patent trend is unstoppably increasing, the question occurs whether patenting software is the only method for securing the software from being misappropriated? Certainly not.… Read more
It is undoubtedly true that intellectual property should be protected with exclusive rights that can be secured either with patents, trademarks, copyrights or other IP tools. While in the USA (and in world generally) the software patent trend is unstoppably increasing, the question occurs whether patenting software is the only method for securing the software from being misappropriated? Certainly not. Within many debates and comments of software protection, there have been several times mentioned – copyrights as a mean of software protection, as well by implementing cloud computing. Moreover, intellectual property rights related to software could be granted also by trade secrets. So how well this could be adapted for software in particular?! Let’s discuss. Regarding the primary purpose of copyright, it is known that it is designed to promote the exchange of information and advancement of ideas that may benefit society. On the contrary is the patent system where the innovator during the patent life gains monopoly profit (and clearly the society is not benefiting – dead-weight loss) and for the innovator the patent also gives the competition advantage over its rivals (as mentioned in earlier comments – this is also hindering the competing firms to develop and improve their software, and therefore whole society to benefit from such positive effects that increased technological, scientific, etc. progress would attain). Consequently, by allowing using software patents that are intended to „protect” the innovation for 20 years should be considered as a crime to whole society.
On the other hand, patents grant more security than any other software protection instrument. And in particular, the protection provided by copyright is relatively weak; as it does not protect the idea underlying the particular software (copyright protection extends to the particular form in which an idea is expressed). But on the contrary, patents can be obtained for ideas, systems, methods, algorithms, and functions embodied in a software product. Therefore patents can protect features of software that cannot be protected under copyright or trade secret law. (More on the differences between the proposed software protection instruments, please follow the link provided – http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl2.htm )
So all in all, there exists many disadvantages for using a patent for software protection (diminishing social welfare, lowering competition, etc), however, for many innovators, entrepreneurs, firms it is the only option who offers reward big enough for innovator to continue investing in R&D and encourage the incentive to innovate further. Nevertheless, software patent is strong economic tool, and as mentioned by Emil Bjørnstad in an earlier comment that numerous lawsuits and trial processes are taking place between big market players as with small ones regarding the patent infringements.
Therefore the idea of granting a software patent for a smaller time frame then for 20 years, from my point of view is very welcomed and should be implemented as sooner as better for much higher economic and social welfare. And as William Nordhaus has proposed, it is possible to calculate the patent length by balancing between 2 factors – „incentives (private return on R&D investments accruing to the innovator during the duration of the patent) and use (social benefits accruing to consumers and other firms once the patent expires and competition emerges)”. However, how easy it is to determine if the reward is sufficiently enough for the innovator to further invest on R&D? As mentioned by Nordhaus R&D cost function depends on success probability on invention and exogenous efficiency of innovation technology. But how one can ever predict the success probability in world that is full of uncertainties and unpredictability?
Welcome to the new world, now pretend you’re not here! The Ideals
The intellectual property rights (IPR) discussion is a complex one, a discussion that is not aided by the diverse number of conceptualizations conceived by opposite poles. On the one side you have economists and other theorists arguing that we need to protect the rights of innovators so that we… Read more
Welcome to the new world, now pretend you’re not here!
The Ideals
The intellectual property rights (IPR) discussion is a complex one, a discussion that is not aided by the diverse number of conceptualizations conceived by opposite poles. On the one side you have economists and other theorists arguing that we need to protect the rights of innovators so that we have an incentive scheme put in place for guaranteeing a continuous innovative society, on the other side we have, again, economists and other theorists as well arguing that the IPR’s are killing innovation because no one can try to develop an innovation without stepping on other past patents.
Seemingly, the debate has polarized these different views though I believe we should ask ourselves, do these views actually differ that much?
It is not about single cases such as Disney, Napster, HIV medicine or Hollywood; it is above and beyond that. It seems that both views have societies ability to innovate as their main concern and objective. So if these ideals are in fact perfectly aligned then why is it so controversial?
Which world do we live in?
The controversy derives from different cognitive realizations of how our society is and how it should be.
I would argue that ‘Pro IPR’s’ tend to view the world in a more static context. In their eyes we need patents to uphold the structure of our economy and growth. This results in assigning false scarcity to intangible assets that in reality are not scarce at all. In other words, we give products, that are beyond our economic system, characteristics to make them fit our economic system.
‘Anti IPR’s’ however view the world in a more (for lack of a better word) idealistic manner. They recognize that innovations come from a common platform. This ideal, I believe, is less competitive and more focused on actual growth in a bigger picture. A good example of this is the extraordinary development the operating system Linux has gone through while many in the IT industry consider Microsoft’s Windows to be at a halt. This is by all means open-source versus IPR.
However, the challenges resulting from an open source ideal are incomprehensible. Because, even though we have reached a point in human history that we can mobilize intangible assets we still live in a structure that will not allow for the intangible assets to become a reality without ownership.
The Outfall
So, do we accept that we live in a world that will prioritize ownership and compartmentalized growth because there simply isn’t room for unincentivized innovation? Or, should we try to figure out how a new structure looks where there is room for open source ideals?
This discussion borders on fundamental economic ideologies and is not answerable in a blog comment. I accept that this comment is rather unorthodox and subjective, yet the only point I want to make is that we need to dig deeper in this discussion. It is not about number of years of patents, it is about how we as an innovative society want to develop, how we want to look in 2,5,50 or even 200 years.
My first opinion is that matching US and EU policies is a must and that patents have to be precise to be efficient. I would take social network websites as examples for this part.
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My first opinion is that matching US and EU policies is a must and that patents have to be precise to be efficient. I would take social network websites as examples for this part.
Coherence between US and EU rules concerning cyber patents is a must, otherwise we could imagine a patent expiration on one side of the atlantic generating new websites close to the previous monopolist. This concurrency might have some benefits (assuming open markets generates innovation) and most likely encourage some improvements in this upcoming “website family”. But what would be the position on the other side of the atlantic about this website? Would it be forbidden?
The first example is about social networks and national legislation. Renren (previously Xiaonei) is known as the chinese Facebook. Most of its features are common to the original one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renren). The chinese government forbid Facebook and promotes Renren. The result of this unequal policy is two websites most likely identicals (on the functionality point of view) to one another.
In this example Facebook existed before Renren. But in the case of the liberalization of a website family market, imagine that the original website remains in a country where it is protected by some patents laws. Two scenarios might occur, depending on the legislation. In the case of a soft legislation, the concurrent websites have been developed overseas. But once they have been developed, how can we avoid the people from using them? And in a case of a hard legislation, people have no access to those new websites. Apart from the fundamental liberties infringement it represents, on the economic point of view would the original and allowed website be tempted to get inspired by the design and functionality of the new improved ones, like Renren compared to Facebook? And therefore getting inefficient.
The second idea is how far should the patents go? Should it be general or specific?
Making some assumptions VKontakt (http://vk.com/) might be a good example. Let us assume that the social network market is open in the US. That even if Facebook (http://facebook.com/) is a leader, there is still a struggle among this website family with other sites like linked in, google+, myspace, … But they can not literally copy each other. Appart from that, let us assume that if the Russian government is liberal about patents and if it does not encourage illegal downloading, it is at least less regarding than in other countries.
This specific feature explains why VKontact has over 75, 604 ,275 members in Russia while Facebook only has 1, 244 ,280 (http://katyatrubilova.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/why-facebook-won%E2%80%99t-beat-russia%E2%80%99s-vkontakte/). The question is not to know if the government encourages its national social network by tolerating illegal download or if this lack in russian’s law is unfortunate and justifies by itself the success of VKontakt. What really matters is to look at the general design and features (apart from downloading) of the website and comparing it to Facebook. By standing three meters away from the screen it is fairly difficult to see the difference. We can imagine that such a resemblance would not have been permitted in US or in EU. This example shows an important aspect: to be efficient, cyber patents have to be precise, to enable a concurrency among a certain type of website while at the same time avoiding them to just copy each other which leads to inefficiency as shown in the Russian example.
Regarding the duration I would recommend between one and two years of large protection and a 10 years patent concerning specific elements of the design and features of the softwares, considered or proved to be part of the core business or key elements. Most of the startups are about websites and softwares developing. The main reason is that investors consider it as a good investment because the main costs are about a few computers and programers salaries while the expected return can be really high. Deregulating all patents might damage this innovative sector. A duration between one and two years is enough to assure viable startups and software based enterprises to refund their shareholders.
Softwares patents is a crucial question nowadays with the uprising of 3d printers like Makerbot Replicator II for instance. The Pirate Bay recently mentioned that “(…) physical objects named “physibles” are the next area to be traded and shared across global digital smuggling routes.”
Interesting analysis. Yet, to the best of my knowledge, business concepts like social networks are not patentable (not even in the US). But as you rightly point, other market forces (like early-mover advantage and network effects; see https://www.ipdigit.eu/2012/02/network-effects/ on this blog) may allow social networks to protect themselves from copycats.
An Vu Pham
In this comment, I would like to express my feelings about the patents politics and the length for software patents I think would be the most profitable for everyone.
At first, as said in some of the previous comments, I think it's important to have the same rules regarding software patents (and other patents in general). The differences between the US… Read more
In this comment, I would like to express my feelings about the patents politics and the length for software patents I think would be the most profitable for everyone.
At first, as said in some of the previous comments, I think it’s important to have the same rules regarding software patents (and other patents in general). The differences between the US policies and the European ones can lead to some inequalities in the market. For example, what if a US company is able to develop his software because of the patent given while the European one with a very similar invention is not able to because the definition of a patent is different? It can also lead to an exodus from some of companies to the other continent in order to be protected by those patents which weren’t allowed in their home country. Or it will discourage the companies who might have some very good ideas but don’t beneficiate from the patent. Personally, it think the US patents rules are slightly beter because they are more permisive concerning patents, and giving companies patents is a good way to encourage them to create and innovate.
So, let’s just determine how important are patents. On a company point of view, patents are really important because it protects them from being copied and thus it gives them the incentives to innovate without the fear of being plagiarized. Another positive aspect is that it stimulates the concurrence. Everybody have to find out their own way of developing their succes and not juste wait for anyone to find an idea and them take it. However, a patent can also be a brake to equal competition if there are too many patents (see IBM who was the leader in the 90’s while having more patents than any other companies).
But the danger would be to give too many patents and to give them a long duration. Indeed, the balance between use and incentive has to be rightly equilibrated. As said in the Nordhaus model, giving long duration patents would increase the delay of innovations but it will also cause longer R&D costs. Also the consummer surplus will be low as long as the patent goes as they really benefit from the innovations when the patents are over.
Personally, I think something like 3 years patents could be good. It protects the innovators during a reasonnable period so that they can develop their software quietly but it also push them to not take it too easy. After that period, the other companies could use the ideas without being restricted by the patents to develop something by their own way, espacially in the industry of software where progress is continuous. Furthermore, it allows consumers to benefit from these innovations while they are still modern.
To determine the right patent duration, we should take into considerations, as the Nordhaus model suggests, the incentives to innovate and the social benefits from use by consumers and other firms after the patent expires. I think that companies should be rewarded for their innovations, but patent protection may not be the best solution.
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To determine the right patent duration, we should take into considerations, as the Nordhaus model suggests, the incentives to innovate and the social benefits from use by consumers and other firms after the patent expires. I think that companies should be rewarded for their innovations, but patent protection may not be the best solution.
In the 80’s, Edwin Mansfield conducted studies to analyze the effects patents have on technological innovation, the conclusion is: “Excluding drug innovations, the lack of patent protection would have affected less than one-fourth of the patented innovations in our sample.” (See: http://mises.org/journals/jls/15_4/15_4_3.pdf)
What about software patents?
1. I think that software patents are important for companies, to protect their innovations against copying and counterfeiting. By suppressing this protection, the benefits from being the first-mover will be reduced and the incentives to innovate will be almost nonexistent. In this situation the best strategy would be to just wait for competitors to bring something new to the market and copy it.
2. But not everything should be patentable and in this sense I agree with the European Patent Office’s approach, what must be protected is not the methods of software operations but the code behind it. But this position is untenable with the US patent law. Indeed, the big market for software is in the US, companies, wherever they are, take the US patent law into consideration. Harmonization is needed and, in my opinion, towards the European Patent Office’s approach.
3. What must be avoided is using patent protection as a way to hinder competing firms form developing their own products using existing innovations or from researching and developing software in the same area. Nowadays companies use the protection provide by patents in a perverse way and they may have forgotten that what makes a company successful is neither its patents nor its competitors ‘power but just the value it brings to the market, to the customers… Innovation must not be thought in terms of competition but in terms of leap in value.
My “solution” would be to keep the patent system but with a duration up to 5 years, to give the companies a considerable first mover advantage. And during this period, if other companies need the software, the two firms could agree on some type of compensation (money, software uses…). I realize that this sound a bit naïve but I think that some changes must be done in the patent system and as Google’s chief lawyer Kent Walker said: “Each side can blow the other up on some level – everybody can block the other’s products from coming to market. You create this mutually assured destruction scenario” (see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jul/26/google-software-patents-warning)
Concerning the debate about software patents, copyrights and trademarks I would like to point out, that the Bernoulli Numbers, which are the basis for all computer programs and software, have never been patented.
On the one hand it is irrefutable, that there are difficulties in dealing with patents for software and especially distinguishing between an idea and a concept. Each bit… Read more
Concerning the debate about software patents, copyrights and trademarks I would like to point out, that the Bernoulli Numbers, which are the basis for all computer programs and software, have never been patented.
On the one hand it is irrefutable, that there are difficulties in dealing with patents for software and especially distinguishing between an idea and a concept. Each bit of code could be argued to be potentially patentable and at the same time the dynamic and innovative industry leads to a shortage of available experts, who could evaluate both the concept and value of the code.
On the other hand companies and individuals want to have an exclusive right to sell and trade their software. They put forward the necessity to create investments and to compensate exogenous sunk costs for development.
It occurs to me that the bigger the companies involved in software industry become, the higher is the amount of invested money and the greater are the incentives to gain patents. Nowadays the disputes about patents are raging and even the biggest companies are involved (e.g. Samsung, Apple and Microsoft).
The previous comments have analysed the negative impacts on patents very precisely, concerning market inefficiency of a monopoly market structure, a lack of investments and a dead weight loss for the population. But I would like to stress the fact that patent and copyright is not just protecting individuals and companies but also national economies and trade balances. That is why all MEDC’s are dealing with the political issue of patents and the protection of intellectual property.
In order to answer the question concerning the duration of patents I wondered how a world without software patents would look like. In fact, for many commercial software programs there is a substitute of free software available. Therefore it seems rather unlikely that patents are creating innovation. But it cannot be proved if commercial software was transferred into free software or vice versa.
Based on the software industry today, dealing with progressive and dynamic markets, most innovations are created in teams at modest costs. As a result the cost differences between inventing and copying are not as high as they are for the pharmaceutical industry for example. So there is no need to protect software for a long period of time. I would approve the duration of a patent for 2 or 3 years, keeping in mind the great importance of lock-in effects for business applications in big companies. The investments for retraining and lost working hours are the cost drivers of a software change, which is therefore avoided.
In my opinion the implementation of web 2.0 and the following hype of cloud computing, creates a platform for experts where they can communicate and exchange ideas. The public and often private cloud solutions for software as a service offer a developer toolkit and interfaces to other programs, so that the software can be personified.
The effects of cloud computing on intellectual property is certainly an interesting topic for future research.
Marlon Braun
Software patents have been under heavy debate in recent time, since their actual use has become more and more questionable. One should assess the purpose and the implication of a patent before voicing an opinion on its optimal length.
An optimal patent system should be designed in mind to maximize social welfare. Patents are necessary to give companies incentives to invest… Read more
Software patents have been under heavy debate in recent time, since their actual use has become more and more questionable. One should assess the purpose and the implication of a patent before voicing an opinion on its optimal length.
An optimal patent system should be designed in mind to maximize social welfare. Patents are necessary to give companies incentives to invest in research and development. If their inventions and products are not protected by the law, third parties will exploit their efforts and neither pay royalties nor spend money themselves on research and development. Thus, innovation will seize. On the other hand, if a patent is too restrictive or its duration is too long, companies will charge monopoly prices resulting in an unnecessary dead weight loss. Additionally, consecutive research by competitors may be harmed impairing technological development in general.
At the time of its inauguration patents were intended to protect tangible inventions that were deemed sophisticated enough to provide the ground for a new product. Extending this notion to intangible products might appear to be a consecutive choice, but the world of software is far different from the world of tangible products. This becomes obvious when looking at the current implications the software patent system in the United States has.
Most software patents are issued for algorithms. They are in general only of value if applied in a specific programming environment. Software is normally shipped in a form of machine-readable-only code. Reverse-engineering foreign code just for trying to find potential performance enhancements for your own code is an endeavor just not worth the effort. Software has become far too complex and before adapting foreign code to your own needs, it’s easier too develop a custom solution tailored to your framework. On top of that, by filing a patent for your algorithm, you actually reveal your innovation. Proving that someone has actually stolen your idea and used your specific algorithm in his own application is hard to prove.
An important aspect of patents is fostering innovation. Since devising and infringing on software patents has become so easy, when writing code a company must put a lot of resources into filing patents themselves for their own software and analyzing their own code for potential patent infringement. This actually harms the process of innovation.
Small time spans make a huge difference in the modern days of software development. Even a five year duration for software patents can give a single company a huge advantage over its competitors. However, this advantage does not play out in protecting and fostering innovation, but in having leverage over your competitors regarding litigation. Patents are used rather as weapons in court to harm your competitors instead of outperforming them by offering better products.
You’re perfectly right in stressing that copyright protection also works for software.
Emil Bjørnstad
With this comment I would like to address some of the issues around the software patent debate, and hopefully give some new insights to the discussion.
Firstly, looking towards U.S. patent laws, the U.S. Constitution states in its patent laws, that patents should “promote the progress of science and useful arts”. By using the framework of the Nordhaus-model the objective would… Read more
With this comment I would like to address some of the issues around the software patent debate, and hopefully give some new insights to the discussion.
Firstly, looking towards U.S. patent laws, the U.S. Constitution states in its patent laws, that patents should “promote the progress of science and useful arts”. By using the framework of the Nordhaus-model the objective would be to determine the right balance between the incentive to innovate and the social benefits from use by consumers and other firms after the patent expires. With patents being issued right, left and center with durations up to 20 years, this allows companies to exploit monopoly power while also hindering competing firms from researching and developing software in the same area. And if you consider how this affects social welfare by exploiting the consumers with high prices, there really is a simple answer. And if you have a look at the recent competition in the smartphone segment with lawsuits being thrown in every direction between competing firms like Samsung, Apple, Motorola and others, you could ask yourself: Does this promote the progress of science and useful arts? Hardly so.
Another issue of how companies can obtain patents for simple software functions is beyond me. The breadths of some of the patents that get approved are simply astonishing, and limits research and development, and innovations in the same area greatly. If you look at Apple for instance, every function they try to incorporate in their smartphones, will be patented, or at least tried patented, to ensure other companies from copying them. But the techniques used in Apple smartphones are not innovations that haven’t been used before. Multi-touch is a great example, and was when introduced for the iPhones in 2007, claimed by Apple as a new invention, even though multi-touch had been in use for decades already by IBM and Mitsubishi. So, with Apple’s thinking, it is okay to steal from others, but not let others steal from you?
Kirby Ferguson, the inventor of the web-series “Everything is a Remix” (1), interestingly addresses the above question in his speech about patents and copyrights at a Ted-convention earlier this year called “Embrace the Remix” (2). He claims that all creative work is to a certain extent based on the work of others. And here it is vital to differentiate between basing your work on others, and simply copying it.
The incentive to innovate will in my opinion be hindered if you issue patents for everything, at such durations as you do today, as you thereby restrain the creative process of innovation. An option would therefore be to limit patents to a duration of only a few (1-3 years), but I feel that traditional copyrights will serve the software industry as good as patenting, as it allows for a more efficient market economically, and promotes the creative process in a greater way.
You can argue that creativity comes from without, and not from within, as we look at others, and we invent and create new ideas based on the work of others. Just like this blogpost is based on the work of others, like Kirby Ferguson (1) and Richard Posner (3), and then remixed with my added thoughts and ideas.
Very good. Thanks for the references. Hopefully, others will now remix your comment by adding their own thoughts.
Johan Fredrik Hillveg
Before I delve into the abyss of software patent grants and deliver my recommendation to how long these patents ought to be, there is a fundamental question that must be addressed: Why do we have patents in the first place?
Obviously, the purpose of patents is to encourage innovation. Without patents, the producer of the novel software inventions will… Read more
Before I delve into the abyss of software patent grants and deliver my recommendation to how long these patents ought to be, there is a fundamental question that must be addressed: Why do we have patents in the first place?
Obviously, the purpose of patents is to encourage innovation. Without patents, the producer of the novel software inventions will have no guarantee that the program script, or the basic concepts behind the program, is stolen and duplicated by a rival firm. It is a fact that developing (sunk) costs are the most substantial costs of software companies. If bigger firms can rip off new entrants or smaller firms by copying their goods as soon as they reach the market, the potential gains from software innovations would sink dramatically. Firms depend on profits, and if the net profit value of an innovation is likely to fall below zero, well then the product will never be made.
Clearly, this would mean fewer innovations and less technological progress, which is unfavourable to both the innovative firms and the consumers. Patents and a following short-term monopoly is thus a necessary “evil” to boost the net profit value of the firm above zero and bring about innovations. Someone here explained that this argument is wrong, because of an underrated lock-in effect. If there exists first-mover advantages, or the firm is able to reach a critical mass of clients before the rivals are able to duplicate the product, then the lock-in effect clearly will solve the social problem of the quasi-monopoly that follows the patent grant. However, for most software innovations, I believe the switching costs are only proportional with the amount of time invested in the software. Thus, as long as the competitors respond quickly enough, the consumers are likely to consider the launch of a superior product. (At least that is what I usually do). So, the lock-in effect does not always apply, and thus I believe we need patents to secure innovation.
However, the duration of the patent cannot be too long, as this will prolong the deadweight loss of the monopoly, and strangle competition. You mentioned 20 years as a maximum proposed amount of time for a patent grant. This is no good solution. To put this in perspective, let us consider AltaVista, founded in 1995. Once upon a time, Altavista was the king of web searches. If granted a wide patent for free, ad-based web searches (based on algorithms) on the Internet, which they based their business model on, Altavista could still have triumphed as a monopolist on the world wide web, meaning that Google, founded in 1998 and viewed as one of the most innovative firms in the World, might never have come to light. Of course, that did not happen, but it highlights my point that too wide and long patents are not exclusively positive for innovation either.
So to sum it up, too many and too long patents hurt competition, while too few hurt innovation. In both cases, the consumers end up as the loosing part. In a fast-pace market such as the software industry, my opinion is that patents should not be longer than 2 years. This should be sufficiently incentive to innovate in R&D, without strangling competition for too long.
First of all, I would like to underline that the origin of the patent is a specific right to ownership, in order to pretect the inventor of a new invention from others making or using the claimed of the invention. Therefore, the patent assignement procedure should be, according to me, easier and cheaper for the inventor in order to protect… Read more
First of all, I would like to underline that the origin of the patent is a specific right to ownership, in order to pretect the inventor of a new invention from others making or using the claimed of the invention. Therefore, the patent assignement procedure should be, according to me, easier and cheaper for the inventor in order to protect the ownership of the concept.
Let’s take the example of a company not spending money on R&D but rather finding different concepts that could be developped and not (yet) protected. The procedure, in Europe and in the US, may still be complicated and should be simplified. Regarding the cost of such a procedure, fees should vary depending on the type of patent application. The long and costly procedure could be considered as an obstacle to the developpment, the innovation and, therefore, the economic growth.
Nevertheless, as explained in the article, the problem occuring regarding patents is that many people may try to patent everything they can, without concrete idea or with too vague developpment. Therefore, strong criteria and proof of developpment of the idea should nevertheless be required.
Regarding the lenght of the patent, a too short timing (2 years) would prevent the inventor to develop idea or invention and allow other companies to benfit from other’s inventions. On the other side, a too long period (20 years) will result in firms resting on laurels and getting the benefits of the patent, which is not efficient on markets where innovation is indispensable, as underlined by Matthieu Goffin on his comment. Therefore, I would say that a 8-to-10 years duration would motivate inventors to work on new project and companies to invest in R&D, once again to stimulate the innovation and to boost the economy.
As a matter of conclusion, I am deeply convinced that the procedure of getting a patent should be faster and cheaper, while the criteria of the patent should be strenghtened in order to avoid too broad patent, allowing the holders to claim the ownership a different other idea. On top of that, patent allocation in Europe and in the US should be harmonized in order to promote innovation all around the world.
I agree about the necessity of harmonizing patents in Europe and in the US. But in which direction? Towards the European or towards the American standards?
Julien Caufriez
For most technologies, it is pretty straightforward to apply Nordhaus’ model in order to determine the optimal length of a patent.
One of the most obvious examples would be of course pharmaceuticals; without the patent system, pharmaceutical companies would not invest such huge amounts of money in R&D. They know that once they acquire a new technology, they are guaranteed a… Read more
For most technologies, it is pretty straightforward to apply Nordhaus’ model in order to determine the optimal length of a patent.
One of the most obvious examples would be of course pharmaceuticals; without the patent system, pharmaceutical companies would not invest such huge amounts of money in R&D. They know that once they acquire a new technology, they are guaranteed a temporary monopoly. As a policy maker, it is necessary to take into account the monopolist’s profits incentive as well as the total social surplus on the long-term, which is why patents are finite in time so that after some time, once the producer has made a good profit out of the new product, it becomes available at marginal cost.
However, in the software industry, it seems as things are a bit trickier. As explained earlier in the article, using the patent system on software products is rather different than in other more “traditional” technological sectors. I see two main reasons why the patent system would be hard to apply to the software industry:
1. Although there are indeed R&D costs in software, it is a tiny fraction of the cost of R&D incurred by other industries such as pharmaceuticals, automobile, etc…
2. It is much harder to define the patent when it comes to software and it usually ends up giving firms a monopoly on “ideas” rather than actual technological processes.
For the reasons mentioned above, I would hence recommend a small patent duration (1 to 4 years). Since R&D costs in software are pretty low in the software industry, they can be compensated very quickly once the owner gets the patent, and there is no need for long patents.
The fact that software patents usually end up giving monopolies on “ideas” rather than actual technologies, I would argue for a short patent duration; A longer patent duration would create a barrier to innovation from the other firms in the market and would negatively impact the total social surplus on the long-run.
In what follows, I argue for a very short (although without formal models and actual figures it is difficult to be specific with respect to the actual number of years) duration of software patents and follow the line of reasoning provided by Bessen and Maskin in “Sequential innovation, patents and imitation” (2009). According to their argument, some industries (with the… Read more
In what follows, I argue for a very short (although without formal models and actual figures it is difficult to be specific with respect to the actual number of years) duration of software patents and follow the line of reasoning provided by Bessen and Maskin in “Sequential innovation, patents and imitation” (2009). According to their argument, some industries (with the software one being the exponent) are based on sequential innovation (each future innovation builds upon the ones that preceded it, for instance reusing the same code lines) and complementary innovation (each potential innovator has a different research approach and therefore improves the chances of the innovation to be successful).
One important aspect in this context is the entry cost. Even though the innovation cycle seems to be much shorter in the software industry than in any other, the software development still comports significant investment costs, if not in the “equipment” used, certainly in the skills employed. Thus, entry in the industry will not occur spontaneously and will not compete away the entire initial innovator’s profit. Consequently, the first innovators might still benefit from a first-mover advantage, with the returns to innovation being less driven by patents, but by lead time and learning-curve advantages, as outlined also by Levin et al, in their paper “Appropriating the Returns from Industrial Research and Development” (1987).
There exists also a timing problem in the software patents. Usually, software innovations are made available on the market before their creator is granted a patent protection. According to Perchaud (“Software patents and innovation”, 2003), it takes around 18-24 months in Europe to get a patent, by which time the innovation is already outdated or a similar software might have already been put on the market.
Moreover, a distinct feature of the software industry is the “network effect”, which will create a pseudo-monopoly effect (the developed software will self-select according to the ones that manage to acquire the biggest customer base). Even more, once a customer base is gained, companies have at their disposal tools for keeping it – for instance, switching cost or the selling of regular subscriptions instead of a one-time purchase. This is further increased by the interoperability problem – once a client decides to switch to another software, he might need to make further adjustments, also costly, which might persuade him not to do it after all. Throughout the literature, there exist several empirical studies that have shown how companies that were given the strongest patent protection reduced their R&D costs (contrary to what the standard arguments suggest), such as Bessen & Hunt, “An empirical look at software patents”, 2004 (this comes in agreement to what my colleague Roman has emphasized theoretically, that a monopoly structure with no entry threat has less incentive to innovate than a monopoly industry threatened by entry, which we also proved in the first problem set).
Looking at the problem from the other perspective of the market, that of the consumer, the longer the patent protection, the lower the value accrued to customers and, more broadly, to the society, especially in a fast-moving industry like software, where products become obsolete at a high speed.
All of the arguments outlined above can be fitted into the proposed model of “software useright”, which proposes to distinguish between two markets: a market for the rights to copy software (for consumers) and a second market for the rights to imitate software functionality (for further innovations) and for which copyright seems more appropriate.
In my opinion, the main problem in this context is even more patent breadth and not necessarily patent length. The problem of companies infringing patents they had never heard of before reported in New York Times article depends less on whatever duration is chosen for the patent but by what can be registered as a patent in the first place.… Read more
In my opinion, the main problem in this context is even more patent breadth and not necessarily patent length. The problem of companies infringing patents they had never heard of before reported in New York Times article depends less on whatever duration is chosen for the patent but by what can be registered as a patent in the first place. This is the main challenge for policy makers in the question of patent legislation in the next years. A patent system that was developed in a “mechanical world” needs adaptation to fit into the context of new media and technologies. If patents are granted on a very broad basis and cover even general concepts of thought, they no longer fulfill their intended role as incentive to innovate but become the “destructive weapons” they are described as in the NYT article with the main purpose of discouraging competition and innovation in the market.
According to Nordhaus, the policy maker needs to balance different forces when deciding on a socially optimal patent legislation. On one hand, a potential innovator needs to have his risk of investing in R&D covered and profits ensured to have an incentive to innovate. On the other hand, patents decrease the consumer surplus and (and this is the main point in the IT sector I think) increase the cost of R&D and therefore the incentive and capacity to innovate for other firms. On this basis the whole structure of the IT sector has changed dramatically over the past years, in my opinion in a not favorable direction. A sector that had been characterized by a large number of exits and entries of small innovative firms in the market by now has become to a large extent dominated by a number of big multinational enterprises. Even if we see competition as not necessarily encouraging to innovation, the amount of money that is wasted in lawsuits to protect/attack patents represents to high deadweight losses to be neglected. One key feature that spurred the fast uprising of the IT sector has been the fact that major innovations could be undertaken by relatively small firms because of comparably low R&D cost in comparison with sectors like the pharmaceutical sector. Thanks to the current patent legislation, this entrepreneurial and innovative spirit of the sector seems to have diminished over the last decade.
To return to the starting question about the advisable time I have to admit that I am lacking detailed knowledge about the sector so that my advice is more of a lucky guess, but given the speed in which development still occurs in the IT sector everything above 3 years just sounds bizarre to me. Putting my thoughts on breadth and length of patents together, I would opt for a quite liberal patent legislation concerning software for two reasons:
1) The cost of R&D in the sector is low compared to sectors like the pharmaceutical or mechanical sectors. Innovations can be achieved at relatively low cost and risk. And something else that I don’t see captured by Nordhaus’ model: given the still low average age and dynamics in the sector, I would say that there is still something like a high “intrinsic” propensity to innovate in the sector (is there sth like this in any model? Would be interesting to see it). Therefore innovation doesn’t require huge incentives via patents, it is absolutely sufficient to just cover risks of the innovator with the patent.
2) As it works currently, the social cost that are caused by hindering innovation of other companies that don’t have the patent but could innovate if they were given more freedom to use it clearly outweighs the benefits of setting an incentive for one company.
Good. In reaction to your first point (about incentives to innovate in the software sector), the open source movement is worth paying attention to. Future commentators may want to elaborate on that.
Roman Jedlička
In my point of view no patent protection is more effective than if there is any kind of protection. What is the main point of a patent? It is the exclusive right of a winning company to be the only one producer of certain goods (in our case software) – so a winning firm becomes a monopoly on the market… Read more
In my point of view no patent protection is more effective than if there is any kind of protection. What is the main point of a patent? It is the exclusive right of a winning company to be the only one producer of certain goods (in our case software) – so a winning firm becomes a monopoly on the market of this certain software for the time declared by the patent. I would like to point out some problems which are caused by this situation:
1. Market inefficiency – a monopoly market structure with no possibility to entry (due to patent right) is less efficient than other market structures (e.g. monopoly market structure with open entry to industry). The output on this market would be lover than it’s optimal and price would be higher.
2. Lack of motivation to innovate – there would be no or only a little motivation for innovations and improvement of protected software (especially in the case of long-term patents). It would lead to conservation of the market.
3. Huge sunk costs – costs of all opponents who tried to develop the same software are sunk costs after introduction of the patent. Sunk costs are very high in software industry because share of tangible goods are relatively less and intangible goods are almost worthless after introduction of patent.
On the market without patent protection we can expect a typical “creative destruction” – replacing old software by new ones which can lead to better software sold for lower prices.
In my opinion argumentation that firms would have no motivation to invent are not right, because the winning company will be a short term monopoly which has great power to lock-in their customers. Lock-in effect is so underestimated in case of software patent policy although the lock-in effect is very strong regarding software (good example is an accounting and management software – e.g. SAP).
After considering the lock-in effect we can see that short-term monopolistic position can be sufficient for building a strong market position, so there is still big motivation for firms to invent. Winning firm, moreover, would be forced to improve their software product because it would be on the market with free entry. Consequences are that other competitors can still continue with development of their software and try to overcome the winning firm.
In my comment, I would like to state my opinion concerning the topic of patenting software and the patent's duration.
As mentioned in William Nordhaus' framework, the innovator is willing to invest more funds in R&D the longer the innovation is protected by patent. This leads to the question, how long innovations should be protected by patent, since the federal institutions… Read more
In my comment, I would like to state my opinion concerning the topic of patenting software and the patent’s duration.
As mentioned in William Nordhaus’ framework, the innovator is willing to invest more funds in R&D the longer the innovation is protected by patent. This leads to the question, how long innovations should be protected by patent, since the federal institutions have to ponder the trade-off between granting protection to increase the innovator’s incentives and social benefits for consumers and other companies after expiration of the patent. With a view to the fast pace of software innovations, it seems reasonable to aim for a short protection duration, because referring to Nordhaus, the deadweight loss on inventions is inevitable and will only be prolonged by a longer protection duration.
My first thought was: is it really necessary to patent software? First of all, we have to distinguish between a patent and copyright. While patents are designed to protect innovations that are non-obvious and provide one or more new benefits for users or further R&D, copyrights tend to protect the innovator’s property rights for a certain creation, regardless of the usefulness. So the first step would be to identify if software indeed matches the requirements for patent protection. Software is basically composed of algorithms and therefore it is no surprise that there are controversies about patenting software, because it might arise doubts about the possibility of patenting mathematics.
As a consequence of patenting software, it is easy for the patent holder to identify infringements of competitors, because some algorithms which are part of the patent might appear in software solutions of other companies. From this it follows that in many cases big companies like Microsoft or Apple start to sue their competitors for infringement, even if the competitors developed their software independently without copying.
Due to the controversies of patenting software, I think copyright protection could be the better choice, because it makes it easier for other developers to add new features to an innovation, instead of granting the patent holder a quasi-monopoly for the innovation. If I had to recommend the patent duration for software, it would be the shortest time (maybe 2 years) that allows the innovator to create competitive advantages in the market and afterwards the technology should be accessible to everyone in order to achieve the highest possible social benefits.
In the following I will give my opinion regarding patents and patent durations for software.
Pros: I think, without any patents no one would have the incentive to innovate, because you have to invest a lot of money to find out new systems and technologies. The longer the patent duration is (but only up to a certain level!), the higher… Read more
In the following I will give my opinion regarding patents and patent durations for software.
Pros: I think, without any patents no one would have the incentive to innovate, because you have to invest a lot of money to find out new systems and technologies. The longer the patent duration is (but only up to a certain level!), the higher is the incentive to invest more in R&D (see Nordhaus model). If there are no patents, other enterprises could use your innovations without having spent any money. The incentive for an enterprise to innovate is to have or to use something, that nobody else has. If you spent a lot of money in R&D, you want to achieve an advantage out of it. So patents function as a protection.
As a result, I think it is important to award patents for software, but it should be discussed how long the duration of such a patent should be. It is a big problem, when patents are valid for 20 years. The computer software industry is a very fast one. It is kind of impossible to predict the next 20 years. Even a 2-year horizon, which should be the longest duration in my opinion, is a challenge.
Contras: To get a software patent is very expensive and thus risky. Most companies can’t afford this risk. The result is that only a few companies (or monopoly) are able to be active in the software domain. As a result, software users have only a very little choice between different products, which give the patent-owning companies kind of might.
Another disadvantage is, that a patented software feature cannot be implemented from other software developers for 20 years (if this is the duration) without permission from the patent holder. But today there are tens of thousands of software patents and it is kind of impossible to keep an overview, especially for smaller companies. So the risk to get a punishment is very high, what could lead again to a monopoly.
Summarized, I think in such a fast industry like the software industry it is hard to find the perfect solution for patent durations. On the one hand, patents provide protection to those who invested a lot of money in innovations. This protection should be continued, but not for 20 years. On the other hand, patents can eliminate smaller companies from the competition, which leads to oligopoly or even monoploy.
When we are dealing with innovation and consequently patent issues, we are dealing with the economy of knowledge. This means that it’s necessary giving a value to the knowledge and this value has to be shared by all the actors in the market. In my opinion, this is the starting point for reasoning on the problem of the patents’ lasting.
The… Read more
When we are dealing with innovation and consequently patent issues, we are dealing with the economy of knowledge. This means that it’s necessary giving a value to the knowledge and this value has to be shared by all the actors in the market. In my opinion, this is the starting point for reasoning on the problem of the patents’ lasting.
The protection of knowledge is one of the main engine that characterizes the market and that influences the development of a nation in terms of investments, prices, costs and demand. Patents are the basis of the protection of the not-excludability of a good, as the knowledge is. The problem relies on the duration of it. The duration influences the incentives to invest : starting from the Nordhaus’ framework, it’s possible stating that: a long duration leads to:
• a value loss of software/innovation, giving to the consumer a good with a value that it’s not the real one – the value of an innovation decreases with respect to the time passing – ;
• a decreasing willingness of innovator to invest because a long patent duration could create monopolistic market.
All the factors related to the usage of an investment and to the development are strictly related with the patents’ durability. The durability has to be such that maximizes the innovator profits – a time period for which the innovator maximizes its investment in R&D – and doesn’t waste too much time for increasing the surplus of the consumer.
In my opinion, the time of patents’ durability cannot be zero, because this means zero profits for the innovator, addressing to falls in investments and very slow development; it cannot be even twenty years because this means a reluctance on working on new projects that would never be patented and remunerated as the previous one. Thus, I think that the durability has to be a number of years between zero and twenty but balanced with the necessity of the innovator to having back what he has spent for his investment. I’m saying this because the certainty of having back the investment could be seen as an incentive for innovating and the security of not having losses. More investments create more competition and a more efficient market.
I know this view could have even some lacks, come from the asymmetry of information between the innovators’ statement of money spent for investing and a due office that register this declaration of investment.
In the post above, some arguments are given to keep actual patent length, to reduce it or to change the breadth and the application on software patents. I think the breadth would regulate by itself if we adapt the length of these patents. I will then give my opinion about the best length of the patents and explain why it… Read more
In the post above, some arguments are given to keep actual patent length, to reduce it or to change the breadth and the application on software patents. I think the breadth would regulate by itself if we adapt the length of these patents. I will then give my opinion about the best length of the patents and explain why it will automatically change the breadth.
The first important point is that I exclude the possibility to delete patents because of the incentives it gives. In theory, without patents, the knowledge spreads out to all firms and it results in a bigger surplus for the consumers and the society. Unfortunately, without patents, there won’t be any incentives to innovate and then there won’t be any knowledge to spread.
There is now another question: if we have patents, what is the best length of these patents? Here I want to explain that if the patents are to long (unlimited or even 15-20 years), there will be little innovations with big profit for one company, nothing for the others and nothing for the consumer. The next big innovation will be after the patent limit, when the basis knowledge can be used to develop new softwares. We don’t want to wait 20 years between each improvement in softwares.
There is no innovation without past innovations. The length of the patents has to be the shortest possible because innovators need previous knowledge to create new softwares, which will give them profit during the patent and will be accessible to others firms to redevelop softwares after the patent.
Since there is no need of big fixed capital investment to develop innovative softwares or software firms, there is no need of long patents that allow to spread the amortization in many years. Furthermore, softwares are quick to enter the all market and rapidly generate profits.
The best length for the patent is then a length that interests developers to make innovation (the marginal dynamic gain of Nordhaus model) but that is as short as possible to decrease the marginal static loss. We have to calculate in how many years a software in general is profitable and we put the length to this number of years.
As far as I’m concerned, I would recommend a 3 years patent but I didn’t study the software market so I should follow my recommendations (search for the average length before profitability) before giving appropriate advice.
As I said in the beginning, I will now explain the natural regulation of breadth with shorter patents. Nowadays, some patents seems to be too broad because companies try to protect their idea and all derivations of this idea even if it doesn’t exist yet. With a 3 year patent, they won’t patent ideas that are not developed because they won’t be able to re-patent it when (or maybe “if” instead) they find derivations of their original software and it will fall into public knowledge before it is profitable. They will patent their idea and they have 3 years to derivate other patents before that others can use the first patent to derivate their own ideas.
I want to end up with one more recommendation, which is for politics but has an impact on the optimal patent length. There should exist an agreement on software patent length between every patent office for two reasons. First of all, softwares are easy to put in different markets all over the world. It is then easier to make rapid profits and the patent length may therefore decrease. If the product is imitate directly when it reaches new markets, firms won’t account it in their incentives to innovate. Secondly, due to globalisation and minimal need of fixed capital for softwares, knowledge can reach every innovator in the world and an agreement on patents would lead to better communications and more innovations as new technology reach everybody.
In the followings lines, I will give my opinion about the duration of software patents. And I'll try to give an optimal period of time. To help me in this work, I will use the conclusions of the William Nordhaus's framework.
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In the followings lines, I will give my opinion about the duration of software patents. And I’ll try to give an optimal period of time. To help me in this work, I will use the conclusions of the William Nordhaus’s framework.
First of all, I think it’s very important to give patent in a sector such competitive like the software’s market. If we don’t give patent in this sector, the firms won’t have the incentive to innovate. For example, if in the US we give patent and not in Europe, all of the computer companies will leave the Europe to go in America where they will be able to increase their benefits. If we don’t give patents, most of the firms will wait for the discoveries in the others firms; so no firms will innovate. And in this sector each discovery helps the other researcher to innovate. It’s very important to give incentive to innovate.
But it will be ridiculous to give a patent for a long period (like 20 years by example) in this sector. Because it’s a sector in evolution and it is exponential. So if we give a patent for 20 years, the firm will rest on laurels and it is not efficient on this market where the innovation is indispensable, a discovery is rapidly obsolete.
The William Nordhaus’s frameworks say that to find the optimal level duration, we have to make a compromise between two effects: a marginal dynamic gain (give incentive to innovate) and a marginal static loss (the consumer surplus decrease).
For me, I thing that the optimal duration must be short: like one or two years. I will explain why I thing that. One or two years patent is enough to give the incentive to innovate (because the technology is quickly obsolete). If we don’t d deserve patent for long period, we will decrease the entry barriers in this sector. So new entrant will also innovate and develop the knowledge in this sector. And these innovations may be enabling the incumbent firms to discover new things. And from the point of view of the consumer it’s a better thing to allow a patent for one or two years rather than a longer; the deadweight loss will disappear. And the last argument is if we deserve patent for a very short period, we reduce the number of so broad patent.
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In this comment, I will share my opinion regarding the lifespan of patents; in particular the one’s dealing with digital technologies. Based on diverse readings, I will finally attempt to determinate what should be the patent duration of such inventions that respects honorably the inventor’s rights.
First of all, I am truly aware that the existence of patents is essential to our economy growth in a manner that it protects intellectual property and respect the inventor itself. Besides, taking out a patent provides name recognition for the inventors which foster their willingness to further innovate by fulfilling new ideas in order to contribute to the social welfare. That is all very well in theory but it often occurs in a less smoothly way…
One has to bear in mind that patent application in technology industry is harder to obtain due to the high level of competition. Indeed, there has been an astonishing growth in terms of innovative products for the last two decades leading to a tremendous market where patents seem to be used not only as an efficient weapon against competitors but also as a strong deterrent for the entry. Moreover, each patent issue ends often in long and costly lawsuits which often deal with details on the product but have huge impact on their sales. As a matter of fact, I can only regret these amounts of money wasted instead of allocate it in the Research and Development field.
As far as I am concerned, I see no other alternative but to strengthen the criteria of patent application in order to diminish the extravagant number of applications, but in the meantime, in a measure that would keep the patent as an incentive to innovate. Furthermore, the patent office should be strict and meticulous on assessing the credibility and the legitimacy of the patent application submitted. For instance, Apple succeeds to take out the patent 8,086,604 (dealt with voice recognition) after its tenth attempt. In other words, they win thanks to its perseverance to send one after another. For this reason, I go along with what Ms. Rai, an intellectual property expert at Duke University School of Law, claims: “there’s a lot wrong with the process”.
Regarding the duration of patent, I have overviewed different points of view but it remains difficult to fix a specific period, notably due to the diverse types of patent that exist. However, the framework of Nordhaus helps us to understand that there should be a right balance between the incentives to innovate and its diffusion, i.e. stimulate the innovation while pleasing consumer surplus. Therefore, I agree with Fabian de Smet in a way that, I believe a 7 years length would be sufficient to maintain inventors motivated and firms to further invest in Research and Development.
Sources:
Show less1) http://www.ehow.com/facts_5697495_lifespan-patent_.html
2) Lecture 4 of Mr. Belleflamme’s course, “Economics of Innovation”
3) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/technology/patent-wars-among-tech-giants-can-stifle-competition.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
4) http://www.ehow.com/facts_5009751_what-duration-patent.html
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The pace at which new software versions come on the market – each three years on average – would be a reasonable time for copyright to last.
I can see several reasons for it:
– Companies need to keep up-to-date their products with the trends of the market and fight obsolescence. They want to attract new consumers and convince old ones that the new version is safer and better. These factors allow them to stay competitive towards their competitors.
– New uses and habits flourish along customers. These customs have to be incorporated in the new versions.
– Companies also have to stay at the competitors’ level, in order not to be left off.
– In the software market, it becomes easier to copy an innovation without falling into the reach of its copyright.
Furthermore, nowadays, in the computer and software sectors, a period of 3 years is a (very) long time. In several months a computer or a program could be outdated.
All these reasons drive innovative companies not only to invest in R&D but also to file copyrights in order to keep a short advantage towards their competitors.
So, even if the copyright length is longer than 3 years, I would recommend the authorities to reduce it.
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According to me, the patent length for the software industry has to be relatively short. This type of industry has a quick life. Indeed, a new technology or program is quickly obsolete. So I think that a good duration is 2 of 3 years.
However, patent is not adapted for all sectors and industries and isn’t always only used for protection. Big firms use patent as a bargaining chip, even more if it’s a complex industry; like we see in the course and that’s the case with the software industry. The patent has been turned away from its fundamental goal: protection.
Moreover, the software industry has already a lot of patents and it’s become more and more complex to be sure that our patent is unique and not a simple copy of another one. It’s true that they are more and more lawsuits (like Samsung and Apple) and it’s become quite difficult to determine if a program bring new process or ideas. I think that the patent is not adapted to context of new technologies and software. There exist other tools to protect software like copyrights and trade secrets (like said Ieva Jurgalane in her comment).
For SMEs, the patents are really important to protect their ideas. It’s difficult for a SME to survive and this protection help them because they don’t have the same means that big firms. It’s important to support SME because they are important in the economic growth and for the innovation (EU has different policy to encourage SME). But, if a small firm wants to patent herself, the costs for doing this are really high for this type of enterprise compared to big firms. SME can’t assume the fixed cost of patening. Obviously, large firms are more able to keep their patents and have better competence that SME to design them. So, the patent system is not adapted for SMEs… But, patent can be a signal for growing SME that are searching for potential investors.
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http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ipresearch-impact-201011.pdf
I agree that a special policy should be designed for SMEs (e.g., by reducing their costs of accessing to IP protection).
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I would like to highlight one unfortunate consequence that software patents has led to- a flurry of patent litigations . Today software patents has resulted in millions of dollars being sunk by software majors like Apple into patent litigation around the world. For instance, between Apple and Samsung alone, more than 50 cases are pending throughout the globe. What is emerging is a disturbing trend to formulate strategy based on court cases rather than designing new and innovative products to win markets. Consider for instance-a smart phone; With continuously reducing product life cycle, today a life cycle for a particular model is as low as 6 months. Hence even say a company manages to get a temporary ban on a competitor’s product till the case is decided(say a month of one or two for a developed country) ,the profit impact is huge for the company as it necessarily means for one third of the cycle, the competitor’s product is effectively kept out. What is has resulted in a witch hunt by companies throwing up increasingly creative allegations of patent infringement through a dozen cases all over the globe-after all,even if one clicks, it means huge profits; Such a behavior by companies will only result in innovation all over the world being discouraged as new innovators now will now have to be constantly wary of any new innovation they develop lest a patent case be dropped on them. There also has been increasing instances of parties simply patenting a software without any intention to market it but to simply hold smaller companies for ransom in case they develop similar softwares.
Show lesshttp://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn-uk/news-analysis/2203878/protecting-property-or-impeding-innovation
Hence it’s extremely important that patents are sharp and well defined leaving no room for error and must also be very specific and heavy penalties must also be imposed by courts for such witch-hunts for the future of innovation to be saved;
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No room for smaller companies to innovate due to software patents ?
After the very strong coverage on the net and on the media of the war opposing Apple and Samsung on software patent last summer, the debate on software protection is opened.
Software is eligible for both copiright and patent protection. In fact, since the 1990s, courts have allowed software creators to seek both copyright and patent protections. On the one hand patents traditionally protect phisical processes while on the other hand copyrights protect written and audivisual works. In contrast with the Copyright protection that is granted automatically, obtaining a patent is an expensive process. However nowadays there is an astonishing increase of software patents which has even forced some technology companies to spend financial resources, time and energy for their protection. In fact, according to the New York Times, in 2011, Apple and Google spent more on patent protection than in Resources and Development.
Or in theory, “patents provide a valuable protection system for inventors pursuing development of their inventions as well as a reward system for commercially valuable ideas.” We could conculde that big companies might use the sofware patent to maintain their monopoly and prevent smaller companies to enter to the market. Which is obviously not the initial purpose. Patents are supposed to encourage innovation.
As far as I am concerned I think that patents may work in other sector, where the cost of innovation is that high that thanks to a monopoly situation the company could gain a return on their investment on researches and development. However in the software sector that investment-return ratio has different value and the duration of a software patent should be limited as 3 years instead of the actual 3,5 to 20 years in the U.S. In fact nowadays companies pay in tree steps (for 3,5 – 7,5 – 11,5 years ) to fully enjoy the 20 years protection. Another time, only big companies are able to support the fully length of the paten. Which conducts to state that the real victims of the software patents are the smaller companies. Consequently in order to enable smaller companies entering the market the cost of patents should be reduced. In this vision, I tend to think that may demotivated big companies to use their financial resources to abuse from their powerfull situation on the market.
sources :
Source: J. BESSEN, M. J. MEURER, Patent failure : how judges, bureaucrats, and lawyers put innovators at risk, Princeton University Press, 2008
http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/13/1543.full
S. PHIPPS, The software patent solution has been right here all along, September 14 2012 on http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/the-software-patent-solution-has-been-right-here-all-along-202299
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We cannot argue with the fact that both, patents and copyrights are essential instruments when it comes to the protection of the ideas of its inventors/creators. Indeed, in my opinion, if one’s idea is not protected then people will put fewer efforts in developing new concepts. So these instruments serve, in a way, as “incentives” to produce innovative ideas since it guarantees their ownership on their inventions/ideas.
Show lessConcerning the issue of “patent duration”, I think nowadays, in a society where innovation and technology are the basis of the economic development, it is probably interesting to review the existing laws on patent and maybe consider the possibility of adapting the duration of a patent – depending on the type of innovation or, why not, depending on a particular sector of production – .
For example, the case of software patents should certainly be reduced since “the developments in software technology are very rapid, and (thus) it may not be worth paying for the patent application when significant changes are often being made to software programs” (cfr. http://www.invents.com/software-patents-pros-and-cons/ ). Moreover, if we keep the normal duration of 20 years – in the case of software patent -, it could also be undesirable and harmful since during the patent duration, inventors will not improve and innovate their initial idea as it is already protected. We can add that since acquiring patent is very costly and takes time (due to the great amount of paperwork), it might not always be beneficial to software programs who changes regularly to adapt the market. I also think that, in this case, copyrights would be more interesting since, with or without patent, new software is almost every time developed on the basis of old concepts; and the inventor will always receive credits for his work.
If patent where to be used on software, I would suggest a short duration of 5 to 6 years, which would, be enough considering their rapid development. Indeed, we can observe that some software’s, after 2 years, are already considered “old”. In this case, we can also highlight the important role played by consumers in the life duration of software.
Finally, concerning the issue of “harmonizing the patent law of US and Europe” underlined by Fabian DE SMET in his comment, I also agree that it is an interesting idea. However, “More Transparency” is needed on both sides concerning regulations and existing patent in order to effectively harmonize the laws. I think the harmonization should go toward the American standards, which in my opinion, protects more the inventor. For example, small inventors would benefit more from this system since ownership is attributed to the person who first invented the idea and not to the one who was first able to file it. Of course, this requires developing the rights tools to examine correctly who is the original inventor.
Other sources :
Belleflamme and Peitz, “Industrial Organization: Markets and Strategies”, Chapter 19: Intellectual property, 2009, p. 510-511.
http://www.iusmentis.com/patents/uspto-epodiff/
http://inventorspot.com/articles/small_american_inventor_about_be_9759
You’re using some excellent references 😉
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Patents in software unlike other types, for example music, have a particular treatment, since the lifetime of such technology is short compared for example with a song, which can be used for life, and the software in comparison, due to the constant race to make new and better programs, computers, smartphones, etc. it has a lower life. However this does not mean that they have to protect themselves, but the time should be lower.
When a new software is launched, if it is expected by consumers, typically it will have higher sales resulting from those people who are waiting for it and those who like to try new things, after conservatives will buy it and skeptics at the end, but this happens in a very short time since later, there will be the new software version waiting to be launched and the previous one becomes obsolete.
We cannot forget that not all societies and countries have the same economic power to purchase a good or service. In places where income is lower, is likely to use software that is not the latest version because for them it is still functional and they are not interested in having the latest version until technology forces them to jump to the next level because there is no support anymore or many of the programs are no longer compatible with your software.
In the case of “trolls” which register general patents to get a benefit later, after large companies release something similar and make it profitable, there should be some regulation for example, if that patent was not used in a certain period of time, let’s say 2 years, it should lose validity to claim royalties on any product, process or similar service.
Therefore I consider that a reasonable time for the length of software patents is 10 years since it allows the creator to get profits from their use, and after that time, few people will use it for commercial purposes but can be used for other purposes like academic, research, charitable or otherwise.
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I would like to talk about the global patent system and the process of how a patent is legally reviewed. According to Stanford University analysis, companies have spent around $20 billion on patent litigation and purchases in the last two years and Google and Apple have spent more money on patent law suits and purchases than on R&D for new products.
In the recent patent war between Apple and Samsung, the two companies have been suing each other over patent infringements, allegedly committed by the opposing party in the context of recently developed smartphones and tablets. The patents held by apple and apparently infringed on by Samsung include both design and utility patents and those held by Samsung are mainly utility patents. The conflict between the two companies has been carried to around 10 different countries through out the globe with varying rulings in different countries. In the US Apple managed to achieve a verdict largely in favour of their interests, whereas in South Korea and Japan the result was more in favour of Samsung. Now, is it surprising that each company won major cases in their respect country of origin?
First of all I would like to take a small look at the patent system on an international basis. Since the establishment of the Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) in 1970 and somewhat more unified system has been introduced globally to facilitate the application of patents in different countries. The applicant submits its patent, which is then analysed by an official body. The initial application is then followed with a regional phase, during which the applicant has to apply for a patent in the specific countries. In effect there is no such thing as an international patents, but the system grants various benefit, such as a priority status for the regional phase, after successfully completing the international phase. Having different patents in different countries, then obviously results in different law suits in different countries. The initial aim of the suing company is to achieve an injunction on the sale of the infringing product, after which the suing party seeks to receive a money payment for resulted damages.
So the aim is to avoid conflicting verdicts of different international judicial bodies on the grounds of national interest and to significantly decrease litigation cost for innovative companies.
Show lessI can think of two possible solutions for such a system (1) a further development of the PCT into a system of global patents or (2) a unified and global system for reviewing legal claims on patents or an “international court of patents”. In order for (1) to work differences in the process of granting a patent, such as between the US and the EU regarding software patents, must be reviewed and worked out in favour of a multilateral solution. (2) would require the establishment of an international institution and the relegation of a certain degree of sovereignty by the participating countries regarding patents, which might pose a problem.
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A lot of debate has been going on in recent times regarding software patents. Following are the arguments given in defence of software patents. They can be classified as under:
Show lessa. They help the companies in maintaining the competitive edge by giving them the rights over the intellectual property.
b. Patents are to be disclosed in public by giving a detailed explanation, thus they educate us about the ongoing developments in the industry and encourage us to innovate.
c. The valuation of small companies can increase on account of patents. Thus they encourage the companies to innovate.
Many experts argue that copyright is sufficient for patents. They allow the creator to prevent another entity from copying the program. Patents, however, give the owners right to prevent others from using a claimed invention, even if it was independently developed and there was no copying involved. They protect the functionality while copyrights on the other hand protect only expression.
The software patents are opposed on the following grounds
a. Progress is highly sequential in the software industry and is done in a large number of small steps, each following the preceding one. By setting a high patent fee, the patent holder can hinder the future progress. Similarly, according to Michael Valek (a lawyer specializing in intellectual property law with the law firm of Vinson & Elkins LLP), to maintain the high growth of innovation in software industry, the software developers should be free to use the broad concepts pioneered by others as long as the actual code is not copied.
b. Another argument given against the software patents is that they allow monopolies and powerful companies to exclude others. In this manner, software patents hinder innovation.
c. There is a huge cost involved in clearance search and determining if a particular piece of software infringes any issued patents. A study in 2008 found that total profits from patents (excluding pharmaceuticals) in 1999 were about $4 billion, but the litigations cost amounted to $14 billion.
d. Many patents are granted for trivial developments or those that are obvious. Any new feature in a particular software is granted a patent.
e. A small start-up company has to pay a huge amount in license fee and has to go through a large number of legal procedures to check if the software it is developing is already patented or not. This discourages innovation instead of encouraging it.
In my opinion, 20 years is too long a duration for software patents. Even 5 years is a very long time in this highly growth intensive and a dynamic industry which is so much dependent on previous works to progress further. A lot of resources are wasted in non productive activities (litigations, clearance etc) which could otherwise be used for other R&D expenditures. Also, suitable checks and measures are required to ensure that patents are not granted for obvious and trivial concepts.
I believe that software patent should be granted for a maximum period of 3 years. This duration should be flexible and not fixed because a lot of time is spent in the granting of patent itself. For this, a possible solution could be the creation of a governing authority dedicated solely to software patents (given that this field is receiving so many of them).
Sources and References:
a. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120705/13315119597/judge-posner-do-most-industries-even-need-patents.shtml
b. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/technology/patent-wars-among-tech-giants-can-stifle-competition.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
c. http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/13/1543.full
d. http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20121016/17211920722/nobel-prize-winning-economist-eric-maskin-highly-innovative-industries-it-may-be-better-to-scrap-patents.shtml
e. http://www.researchoninnovation.org/swconf/webbinkslides.pdf
Well-documented point of view. Thanks.
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In the course of the debate several arguments have been given for and against the length of patents in all kinds of industries but one of them can be frequently heard: Patents increase the incentive to invest. Protecting intellectual property rights seem to be a necessary condition to make firms push their R&D department – the longer the patent is valid, the greater the incentive becomes. This point was made by some people on the blog already and is used as a common justification by executives to advocate patents. Also William Nordhaus thinks along similar lines: His mathematical model is so constructed that the reader is given to understand causality between the length of a patent and the firm’s effort to invest. But after having read the New York Times article I have serious doubts as to whether this can be taken as a natural law in real life or if it rather concerns a theoretical construct. In this context I would like to elaborate the importance of start-ups for innovations and the impact of patents on the latter in greater detail to see this point from a different perspective.
The role of start-ups and their importance for innovative ideas should be clear to everybody but let me name a few of the main aspects briefly: Firstly they identify new consumer needs. Creating products that fulfil customer’s needs better than others, is the only possible way to take hold on the market next to old-established firms. Secondly start-ups identify where innovation is needed by improving existing goods or adding special features and applications. And, lastly, start-ups identify new business opportunities. This point is obviously linked to the previous of searching for market gaps and developing new solutions. But what the New York Times article clarifies to me was mainly how much upcoming start-ups suffer from the patent system in general.
The main negative aspect new start-ups suffer from is the immense amount of money they have to budget. We are not just talking about the costs for developing new products but also applying for patents (maybe several times) and leading long lasting court cases against other patentees. The necessity to buy licences from other patent holders in order to fulfil product standards (standard-essential patents) makes this problem even worse. Due to the fact that the financial opportunities of start-ups are usually strongly limited there is a real danger that discounted costs exceed expected return by far. This problem grows with increasing length of patents.
Another negative consequence for start-ups of the patent system (maybe not in general but definitely in the case of the inefficient US patent system) is the huge amount of time that has to be invested. Rather doing research on new technology entrepreneurs spend time on applying for patents and defending themselves in court. The NYT article sets a really nice example underlining this tiring process. Mr. Philipps, a specialist in human voice recognition and former partner of Apple’s SIRI project, eventually quit the industry being weary of all the time he has spent in court proceedings.
At this point I would like to hint at recent research results examining the impact of intellectual property patents on innovations from several perspectives and eventually denying a positive relationship. The team of two American researchers from Boston University made use of an historical perspective on different industries, a cross-country comparison and natural ‘economic experiments’ to make their final conclusion. Although I cannot judge the academic correctness of the paper, the approach seems reasonable to me. A summary and the reference to the paper are given here (1).
Coming to a conclusion, I’m convinced that the length of patents has to be as short as possible. Therefore I agree to the previous speakers having proposed 1-3 years – although they follow another way of argumentation. In my opinion, the longer the patents are valid, the more discouraged are motivated entrepreneurs. In other words, patents don’t create added value but bureaucracy and are gifts for established firms to protect their leading position.
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(1) http://keithsawyer.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/do-patents-increase-innovation/
For a quite different view about Mr. Phillips’ story, read http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/10/11/what-the-ny-times-doesnt-understand-about-the-patent-system/id=28766/
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I’d like to point out why in my opinion software patents, particularly long patents may harm the software developing sector.
Let us consider a sector where the competition is very hard, and innovations have to be made at an extremely fast pace like in the operation systems of mobile devices where Apple (iOS), Google (Android), Windows, Nokia (Symbian) and RIM (Blackberry OS) among others are constantly developing their software suites in order to be at the edge of technological progress and offer even more possibilities and features to the user.
The competitors are not only competing in their respective R&D and developing centers, but it is frequent that they also “compete” in court because of copyright and patent infringement.
As some of the other comments pointed out, espacially in the US patents often concern a very vague concept, or a small algorithm of a few lines.
David Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer of Google pointed out (see http://googleblog.blogspot.be/2011/08/when-patents-attack-android.html) that there is a “patent war” among the competitors. One competitor (Drummond is speaking of Microsoft) buy patents in order the make the use of the software of the other competitors more expensive.
This war harms the creation of new ideas, the innovation is often limited to a small improvement of the software without many changes or revolutionary progress.
Particularly for an open-source software developer, the patent war may dissuade from participation in the development of a free and open-source software and thus slow down the innovation.
For almost every software there is an free and open-source alternative (for example OpenOffice or LibreOffice for Microsoft Office). Those alternatives are constantly improved. A patent may prevent the development of a free alternative, and the longer the patent is, the more the user has to pay the often expensive and patented version of the software even before the free alternative is created.
It is true that patents increase the return on R&D and may induce to innovate, which is obviously a good thing.
But long patent duration in a sector where innovation has to be made in a very fast speed and the user community is constantly seeking for and improvement and also participates in the development, harms the innovation.
To recommend a duration of a software patent I have to make a trade-off: return on R&D with a position in the market due to the patent which may encourage innovation vs. the negative effect of a patent war which may slow down innovation. Long patent duration is in my opinion out of question for the software sector. Thus I would recommend a short duration patent (0-2) years [ even if as a Linux user I would tend to say no patent duration at all].
Nevertheless, what is absolutely necessary is the reform of the patent system, particularly in the US, which could make the patent war which is actually going on in this sector (but not only in this sector) come to an end.
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Patents exist since the 15th century – they were created to incentivize innovation by assuring returns sufficient to recover R&D costs and grant profitability to the inventor. Their strength is that anybody who is able to translate an idea into practical and useful terms can be rewarded with a patent (if he/she is quick enough to ask for the patent before having someone stealing his/her invention). And this happen in all sectors. Which is great, because it guarantees that innovation takes place everywhere.
The issue of IT patents became extremely relevant when the mass of consumers started using computers in their offices and then in their houses. Demand for hardware and software boomed, and producers had to keep innovating to satisfy consumers’ thirst of new gadgets and applications.
Since a patent-free world would lead to insufficient innovation, I believe the European Patent Office does a good job in protecting innovation. In fact, it grants a patent only to real novelties, to those inventions that are not just a “copy and paste plus some improvements” of old ones. By securing protection for 5 years, EPO would make sure new technology is produces, R&D costs are recovered and consumers could soon maximize their surplus. It is true that software needs months or years to reach the mass, but usually it does when it is under copyright/patent protection. Thus, consumers would have their first experiences with that original product and they would set their standards on it. Consequently, when the patent expires, those who want the original program will still purchase it at a high price (because of the availability of continuous updates which increase the value of the software), while those who are satisfied with substitutes will get them almost for free. An example is provided by Adobe’s Photoshop – no matter how many similar products exist in the market –such as Picasa, Canvas and Picnik – people will still buy Photoshop, because it has become the reference program. The fact that in new dictionaries it is possible to find the verb “to photoshop” is an additional proof of it.
To conclude: the IT sector has been expanding for years, and it is not going to stop soon. Thus, it is right to protect innovations so as to foster new ones, but patents should not last for long (5 years might be a good amount of time) to keep up with the quick and massive changes that characterize the sector.
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Many years back, the debate was more about whether software patents are necessary. Today, since software patents are so widespread, the debate is now about how long a software patent should be, which is in line with the discussion question above.
The main benefit of a software patent:is to create more incentives for innovation, which will benefit society as a whole. Arguments against software patents include increased legal costs, a reduction in competition which slows down the pace of innovation
In modern society, software technology evolves at such a rapid pace that sometimes it is difficult to keep up with them. Therefore it may not be necessary for a software patent to be more than 3 years since changes are often being made to the software. These 3 years might just allow enough time for the software creator to reap substantial profits on his innovation, while allowing him to come up with a better version of the software. More likely than not, software patents are used as a business strategy to increase their chances of acquisition by a bigger company. Therefore, I would suggest a maximum period of 3 years.
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A patent is a form of intellectual property. It consists of a set of exclusive rights granted to an inventor. In my opinion, a patent is often necessary if we want to promote innovation. It is essential to motivate the development of technological inventions and the publication of innovative ideas. But to invest in an innovative project, the inventor must have a positive expected profit. This justifies the presence of patent to safeguard the initial investment. However, the patent has its positive and negative sides.
On one hand, create new things often require a long period in which the inventor receives no income as a result. So, a patent is necessary if you want to reward people for their innovation because they work usually intensively on a project before seeing any benefit effect.
On the other hand, too much protection reduces competition because it prevents the entry on the market by other rival firms. Furthermore, it’s not efficient if the innovation stays trapped with only one inventor. Everybody should be able to take advantage of the invention, even if the creator is not in favor.
The dilemma at the creation of patent is to balance those two competing goals thanks to a time optimal protection
As regards the software patents duration, the optimal period of time is a rather subjective criterion. A too short timing can be harmful to the inventor because the return on investment may be insufficient and therefore prevents innovation. To reach efficiency, firm should price at the marginal cost and thus makes zero profit. However, this is not sustainable want firms must have a profit incentive to take the risk of investing in R&D. Besides, if we don’t grant patents to inventors, most of the firms will wait that other firms make discoveries. This problem is very marked in a competitive sector such as computer sector where each discovery helps the other researchers to innovate.
Instead, a too long patent reduces the growth of the economy because ideas protected by a patent cannot be developed further by other researchers. And it is not sensible to offer a long patent (for example 15 years) in such an evolving sector where discovery is rapidly obsolete. In addition, the creators see no incentive to innovate as they enjoy patent protection. This is inefficient for the market. To grow the market needs to be boosted in its mature phase, particularly through innovation. The consumer may also feel a disadvantage because the diversity of supply is restricted due to low investment in R & D. In short, I think a short patent’s duration (two years for example) is enough to boost the innovation because the computer technology is quickly obsolete.
Based on the model of William Nordhaus, see how to fix the optimal duration of patent. The objective is to find the ideal degree of protection to reach the efficient equilibrium. This balance would both encourage innovation without the innovating firms remain on their laurels after their discovery launched. A positive marginal profit is required to egg on innovations. The producer needs a large positive surplus to start highly risked project like software innovation. The expected benefit should increase thanks to the patent because it is a form of entry barrier which reduces competition and allows the firm to retain or to increase its market share. But we can take into account the marginal loss in terms of consumer surplus. The duration of the patent tends to maximize the social welfare. First, a limited duration of patents fights against monopoly power because when patent expires the competition emerges. Secondly, a short-term patent stimulates firms to diversify in order to benefit from a new patent to offset the expiration of the former patent.
In my view, the question of the duration of the patent is not the only issue. The heart of the problem is rather in the patent criteria which must be strengthened in order to avoid too broad patents. Often the patent is so vague that the holder possesses a means of claiming the ownership of another idea that was not originally intended to be patented.
Show lessIn addition, patent law should be the same all around the world. Laws should be harmonized so that all countries are on equal footing when innovation emerges. In this case, investors would have no interest to invest in innovation abroad rather than in its country of origin to increase their profit. This may be an interesting reflection to understand massive investments in some countries more or less legalized…
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I believe that software patents should be kept as short as possible, and I will endeavour to explain why below. The purpose of the patent itself is to encourage innovation, as it gives the patent holder protection for some period from his/her idea getting copied, thus giving the innovator incentive to well, innovates. However in the case of software, I think software patents actually stunt rather than encourage innovation, and I endeavour to explain why below.
Patents are given for ideas that are new, commercially viable and not arising out of common sense. While checking this criterion might have been easy for something mechanical (which is what patent law originally strove to protect), it is much more difficult in check for software ideas. The reason for this is simple: Software patents are given for intangible ideas and concepts, and it is simply plain difficult for the patent office (here I refer to the US patent office, which issues patents for such ideas, not the European office which doesn’t, or at least, is not supposed to) to check whether the idea in question is indeed unobvious in the case of a field that is as dynamic as technology. Software ideas are also mathematical and not mechanical in nature, and can hence be explained in terms that make it sound new and unobvious. This has resulted in cases such as Amazon being able to patent its one touch click system (which I for one do not think is unobvious), or cases where the same concept is issued two patents, just because the patents are written differently.
What this means is that software patents are being issued for just about every new feature used in a software. Sometimes software patents are also unusually broad – examples for both trivial and broad software patents can be found here – http://webshop.ffii.org/
Thus anyone looking to develop a new software has to navigate through a veritable minefield of patents. Avoiding them is generally not an option, as some of these are features that most users would expect from their program, neither is licensing them, as a small startup would not be able to afford license fees for so many patents. A software is also a complicated beast, utilising millions of different components and features (more so than any mechanical device) and therefore potentially, in violation of millions of patents. There are also cases where a company might not be in violation of any patent when it just starts working on a program, but might suddenly find itself in violation of patents if newer ones are released during the development cycle.
Hence, software patents actually discourage innovation, or at least cause a significant amount of overhead for innovators in ensuring that their programs are free of patent infringements – Companies could even be redirecting money from their R&D departments to their patent lawyers. The paper by Bessen and Maskin shows this to be the case in an industry such as the software industry which relies on sequential improvements. Hence, according to the Nordhaus model, which works on finding a balance between incentives and use, the incentives far outweigh the benefits from use in the case of software patents. Therefore to solve this problem, I think software patents should be limited to say, two years – this is a lifetime in the technology industry, and gives the innovator enough time to build up other barriers for competitors, such as switching costs. Twenty years is too long in such a dynamic industry – twenty years ago, the internet for instance was just beginning to be popularly used. More importantly however, I think software patents should not be dished out like they are being dished out now, and should be only issued to ideas that are in fact new and unobvious. In case the logistics for this prove to be too difficult, then a case could be made for abolishing software patents altogether, for I think in their current form, they do more harm than good.
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Firstly,Patents are being considered as an incentive for innovation to the developers,the developers today are moving more towards the line of providing applications which revolutionize the business processes or any processes for that matter-so the present call is that these patents should not be entry barriers for new entrants and further developments.
In an industry like the software industry- I personally feel that the patent should be limited to less than 3 years and if necessary revised from time to time to lesser intervals,with changing times and wherein the software generations themselves are changing in less than 3 years a patent with more time will only hinder the overall growth of the entire ecosystem,If we reduce the time of patent,So that the innovator takes the responsibility of wide spreading his innovation/patent and thus give a larger audience the issue and thus reap in the benefits
Further,the industry too wouldn’t fall back because if the users of the patents know about its potential they would want to be a first mover which is very much necessary particularly in this regard and they would use the patent during the time itself as they know that it will anyway become obsolete once it expires
The companies too can afford to have shorter life spans for patents because if they stick to larger time spans other companies may devise similar patents which can be done by just tweaking the code and file another patent which is not healthy for the industry,So with lower timeframes other companies would be working on further developing more supreme codes and thus move towards a more robust software economy
Unlike the pharma industry wherein its not easy to develop the formula nor perform the clinical testing and costs a lot for the research and the time for realizing this investments needs to be more,Software patents are smaller compared to these but need more protection as its more based on the human capital,Hence a lower time frame would help the industry with faster growth and the is a potential for realizing the investment is always there
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To start with, I would like to give my opinion on the pertinence of a patent for sofwares by comparing the pros and cons of copyrights and patents in the case of new softwares protection. Afterwards I will at last tackle the issue of the patent length.
Firstly, from the moment developers ask for a patent, it takes about two years for the protection to come into force. This is really problematic as the software has already been commercialized or even become obsolete in the meanwhile. On the other hand, a copyright takes effect immediately as soon as the software is created and costs much less money than the patent setting up.
However, the protection offered by a copyright is less broad than a patent one. Indeed, it prevents other software developers from copying a source code or an object, but it does not forbid them to create an equivalent software, as long as they use other codes. Thus, it doesn’t protect the idea in itself contrary to a patent. Nevertheless this is not necessarily something negative as it allows other developers to reuse a general idea and bring their own innovation to it, which enables to maintain innovation and, by extension, growth.
Consequently, it would be better to protect new softwares with copyrights as they are implemented immediately, which is more appropriate in a sector where technology constantly evolves very quickly. However, if a software with a significant innovation and advance is developed, then it would be more interesting to protect it with a patent. This is more about a kind of disruptive innovation. It requires more investments and implies sustainable changes in the long term, so its developers would not want their idea to be stolen and opt for a patent protection.
On the subject of the patent length, 20 years of protection is definitely too much as it doesn’t take that long for a software company to recover the costs of a new product and technologies change fast in this sector. If developers propose a small innovation and ask for a patent, which might not be the most fitted protection as I have just written above, then the patent length should be reduced to 5 years because the software should not involve very high costs. If a firm on the other hand brings a significant innovation that involves important investments, a protection of 10 years would be more reasonable.
Furthermore, as William Nordhaus specifies in his model, consumers’surplus will be maximized when the patent is over but the value of this benefit will be bigger if the patent length is shorter. Thus, a shorter patent should increase consumer welfare.But if it is too much shortened, it might discourage developers to innovate.
In conclusion, I think patent length should be shortened for a better consumer welfare and because the market structure does not jusify such a long period of protection. However, for small innovations, the use of a copyright would be more appropriate.
References: http://www.invention-protection.com/ip/publications/docs/How_Should_Software_Be_Protected.html
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Patents encompass a framework that is supposed to work as a catalyst for innovation. Hence, the importance of the efficiency and effectiveness of patents should not be undisputed. As such, an as we have seen in the two contrasting set of patent policies: European Patent Office (EPO) vs. US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) . We can assert that a more flexible set of patent policies (i.e., U.S.) will increase the number of patents but also, it can increase the number of law suits between patent owners. But, who wants to be in a law suit? It seems that certain companies are making law suits for a living and profiting from them .
On the other hand, we have a set of policies for that is more restrictive (i.e., E.U). Therefore, we can foresee a lower number of patents and possibly a lower number of law suits. And this set of policies is where policy makers should be heading: to create a framework and environment propitious to bolster innovation. In this line, if we have a framework that discourages patent disputes and hence, leaves firms with more surpluses that otherwise would have gone to a law suit. Would they be willing to invest more in R&D? And this is where the issue of time matters. This issue leads us to the second conundrum, which is the durability of patents.
Certain countries like the U.S. have a fixed durability period for patents which is 20 years. But this time limit, for all innovations, is incongruent with the different industries it is supposed to protect. And the efficiency in patent rights should be granted for a period of time in accordance with the nature of each industry. As such, the 20 year mark for patents should remain for those innovations that do not have a fast pace of evolution, whereas in the case of software it should be shorter.
According to Richard Posner, from the day a firm has applied for a patent, the granting of the patent sometimes takes up to 3 years (Posner,2012). Hence, no patent should last less than the average time it takes for a patent to be granted. In addition, since the software industry evolves rapidly, the time for the validity of a patent should be set according to the cost of the innovation of the software and its profit through-out the spectrum of time (Nordaus, 1969). Assuming the profit will exceed costs in a period of 2 years for this industry. A total of 5 years should be optimal time for a patent for software to last.
References:
Show lesshttp://www.epo.org/news-issues/issues/computers/software.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/technology/patent-wars-among-tech-giants-can-stifle-competition.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/why-there-are-too-many-patents-in-america/259725/
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I would like to add some information at this point. To some extent, the effective duration of a patent is chosen by the patentee himself or herself. In most countries, patentees have to pay renewal fees if they want their patent not to expire.
Show less“Generally speaking, patents have a patent term that is 20 years from the earliest U.S. filing date, but to enjoy that full term, three separate and increasing maintenance fee payments must be made. Many pay the first maintenance fee payment, due at 3.5 years after the patent issues. Some pay the second maintenance fee payment, due at 7.5 years after the patent issues. Few pay the third maintenance fee payment, due at 11.5 years after the patent issues. Thus, only the most commercially valuable patents enjoy a term that goes beyond 8 years (which is the deadline to pay the second maintenance fee payment with a late surcharge).” (http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/10/11/what-the-ny-times-doesnt-understand-about-the-patent-system/id=28766/)
Of course, what is “commercially valuable” may be vaguely linked to the social value of the patented product or process. If the patent allows the patentee to block competitors in one way or another, it may be “commercially valuable” to maintain it although society as a whole would be much better off if the product or process was in the public domain.
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It is undoubtedly true that intellectual property should be protected with exclusive rights that can be secured either with patents, trademarks, copyrights or other IP tools. While in the USA (and in world generally) the software patent trend is unstoppably increasing, the question occurs whether patenting software is the only method for securing the software from being misappropriated? Certainly not. Within many debates and comments of software protection, there have been several times mentioned – copyrights as a mean of software protection, as well by implementing cloud computing. Moreover, intellectual property rights related to software could be granted also by trade secrets. So how well this could be adapted for software in particular?! Let’s discuss. Regarding the primary purpose of copyright, it is known that it is designed to promote the exchange of information and advancement of ideas that may benefit society. On the contrary is the patent system where the innovator during the patent life gains monopoly profit (and clearly the society is not benefiting – dead-weight loss) and for the innovator the patent also gives the competition advantage over its rivals (as mentioned in earlier comments – this is also hindering the competing firms to develop and improve their software, and therefore whole society to benefit from such positive effects that increased technological, scientific, etc. progress would attain). Consequently, by allowing using software patents that are intended to „protect” the innovation for 20 years should be considered as a crime to whole society.
On the other hand, patents grant more security than any other software protection instrument. And in particular, the protection provided by copyright is relatively weak; as it does not protect the idea underlying the particular software (copyright protection extends to the particular form in which an idea is expressed). But on the contrary, patents can be obtained for ideas, systems, methods, algorithms, and functions embodied in a software product. Therefore patents can protect features of software that cannot be protected under copyright or trade secret law. (More on the differences between the proposed software protection instruments, please follow the link provided – http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl2.htm )
So all in all, there exists many disadvantages for using a patent for software protection (diminishing social welfare, lowering competition, etc), however, for many innovators, entrepreneurs, firms it is the only option who offers reward big enough for innovator to continue investing in R&D and encourage the incentive to innovate further. Nevertheless, software patent is strong economic tool, and as mentioned by Emil Bjørnstad in an earlier comment that numerous lawsuits and trial processes are taking place between big market players as with small ones regarding the patent infringements.
Therefore the idea of granting a software patent for a smaller time frame then for 20 years, from my point of view is very welcomed and should be implemented as sooner as better for much higher economic and social welfare. And as William Nordhaus has proposed, it is possible to calculate the patent length by balancing between 2 factors – „incentives (private return on R&D investments accruing to the innovator during the duration of the patent) and use (social benefits accruing to consumers and other firms once the patent expires and competition emerges)”. However, how easy it is to determine if the reward is sufficiently enough for the innovator to further invest on R&D? As mentioned by Nordhaus R&D cost function depends on success probability on invention and exogenous efficiency of innovation technology. But how one can ever predict the success probability in world that is full of uncertainties and unpredictability?
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Welcome to the new world, now pretend you’re not here!
The Ideals
The intellectual property rights (IPR) discussion is a complex one, a discussion that is not aided by the diverse number of conceptualizations conceived by opposite poles. On the one side you have economists and other theorists arguing that we need to protect the rights of innovators so that we have an incentive scheme put in place for guaranteeing a continuous innovative society, on the other side we have, again, economists and other theorists as well arguing that the IPR’s are killing innovation because no one can try to develop an innovation without stepping on other past patents.
Seemingly, the debate has polarized these different views though I believe we should ask ourselves, do these views actually differ that much?
It is not about single cases such as Disney, Napster, HIV medicine or Hollywood; it is above and beyond that. It seems that both views have societies ability to innovate as their main concern and objective. So if these ideals are in fact perfectly aligned then why is it so controversial?
Which world do we live in?
The controversy derives from different cognitive realizations of how our society is and how it should be.
I would argue that ‘Pro IPR’s’ tend to view the world in a more static context. In their eyes we need patents to uphold the structure of our economy and growth. This results in assigning false scarcity to intangible assets that in reality are not scarce at all. In other words, we give products, that are beyond our economic system, characteristics to make them fit our economic system.
‘Anti IPR’s’ however view the world in a more (for lack of a better word) idealistic manner. They recognize that innovations come from a common platform. This ideal, I believe, is less competitive and more focused on actual growth in a bigger picture. A good example of this is the extraordinary development the operating system Linux has gone through while many in the IT industry consider Microsoft’s Windows to be at a halt. This is by all means open-source versus IPR.
However, the challenges resulting from an open source ideal are incomprehensible. Because, even though we have reached a point in human history that we can mobilize intangible assets we still live in a structure that will not allow for the intangible assets to become a reality without ownership.
The Outfall
So, do we accept that we live in a world that will prioritize ownership and compartmentalized growth because there simply isn’t room for unincentivized innovation? Or, should we try to figure out how a new structure looks where there is room for open source ideals?
This discussion borders on fundamental economic ideologies and is not answerable in a blog comment. I accept that this comment is rather unorthodox and subjective, yet the only point I want to make is that we need to dig deeper in this discussion. It is not about number of years of patents, it is about how we as an innovative society want to develop, how we want to look in 2,5,50 or even 200 years.
Show lessThanks for this thought-provoking comment! For an opinion totally opposed to the New York Times article that was quoted in the post, read http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/10/11/what-the-ny-times-doesnt-understand-about-the-patent-system/id=28766/
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My first opinion is that matching US and EU policies is a must and that patents have to be precise to be efficient. I would take social network websites as examples for this part.
Coherence between US and EU rules concerning cyber patents is a must, otherwise we could imagine a patent expiration on one side of the atlantic generating new websites close to the previous monopolist. This concurrency might have some benefits (assuming open markets generates innovation) and most likely encourage some improvements in this upcoming “website family”. But what would be the position on the other side of the atlantic about this website? Would it be forbidden?
The first example is about social networks and national legislation. Renren (previously Xiaonei) is known as the chinese Facebook. Most of its features are common to the original one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renren). The chinese government forbid Facebook and promotes Renren. The result of this unequal policy is two websites most likely identicals (on the functionality point of view) to one another.
In this example Facebook existed before Renren. But in the case of the liberalization of a website family market, imagine that the original website remains in a country where it is protected by some patents laws. Two scenarios might occur, depending on the legislation. In the case of a soft legislation, the concurrent websites have been developed overseas. But once they have been developed, how can we avoid the people from using them? And in a case of a hard legislation, people have no access to those new websites. Apart from the fundamental liberties infringement it represents, on the economic point of view would the original and allowed website be tempted to get inspired by the design and functionality of the new improved ones, like Renren compared to Facebook? And therefore getting inefficient.
The second idea is how far should the patents go? Should it be general or specific?
Making some assumptions VKontakt (http://vk.com/) might be a good example. Let us assume that the social network market is open in the US. That even if Facebook (http://facebook.com/) is a leader, there is still a struggle among this website family with other sites like linked in, google+, myspace, … But they can not literally copy each other. Appart from that, let us assume that if the Russian government is liberal about patents and if it does not encourage illegal downloading, it is at least less regarding than in other countries.
This specific feature explains why VKontact has over 75, 604 ,275 members in Russia while Facebook only has 1, 244 ,280 (http://katyatrubilova.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/why-facebook-won%E2%80%99t-beat-russia%E2%80%99s-vkontakte/). The question is not to know if the government encourages its national social network by tolerating illegal download or if this lack in russian’s law is unfortunate and justifies by itself the success of VKontakt. What really matters is to look at the general design and features (apart from downloading) of the website and comparing it to Facebook. By standing three meters away from the screen it is fairly difficult to see the difference. We can imagine that such a resemblance would not have been permitted in US or in EU. This example shows an important aspect: to be efficient, cyber patents have to be precise, to enable a concurrency among a certain type of website while at the same time avoiding them to just copy each other which leads to inefficiency as shown in the Russian example.
Regarding the duration I would recommend between one and two years of large protection and a 10 years patent concerning specific elements of the design and features of the softwares, considered or proved to be part of the core business or key elements. Most of the startups are about websites and softwares developing. The main reason is that investors consider it as a good investment because the main costs are about a few computers and programers salaries while the expected return can be really high. Deregulating all patents might damage this innovative sector. A duration between one and two years is enough to assure viable startups and software based enterprises to refund their shareholders.
Softwares patents is a crucial question nowadays with the uprising of 3d printers like Makerbot Replicator II for instance. The Pirate Bay recently mentioned that “(…) physical objects named “physibles” are the next area to be traded and shared across global digital smuggling routes.”
Show lessInteresting analysis. Yet, to the best of my knowledge, business concepts like social networks are not patentable (not even in the US). But as you rightly point, other market forces (like early-mover advantage and network effects; see https://www.ipdigit.eu/2012/02/network-effects/ on this blog) may allow social networks to protect themselves from copycats.
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In this comment, I would like to express my feelings about the patents politics and the length for software patents I think would be the most profitable for everyone.
At first, as said in some of the previous comments, I think it’s important to have the same rules regarding software patents (and other patents in general). The differences between the US policies and the European ones can lead to some inequalities in the market. For example, what if a US company is able to develop his software because of the patent given while the European one with a very similar invention is not able to because the definition of a patent is different? It can also lead to an exodus from some of companies to the other continent in order to be protected by those patents which weren’t allowed in their home country. Or it will discourage the companies who might have some very good ideas but don’t beneficiate from the patent. Personally, it think the US patents rules are slightly beter because they are more permisive concerning patents, and giving companies patents is a good way to encourage them to create and innovate.
So, let’s just determine how important are patents. On a company point of view, patents are really important because it protects them from being copied and thus it gives them the incentives to innovate without the fear of being plagiarized. Another positive aspect is that it stimulates the concurrence. Everybody have to find out their own way of developing their succes and not juste wait for anyone to find an idea and them take it. However, a patent can also be a brake to equal competition if there are too many patents (see IBM who was the leader in the 90’s while having more patents than any other companies).
But the danger would be to give too many patents and to give them a long duration. Indeed, the balance between use and incentive has to be rightly equilibrated. As said in the Nordhaus model, giving long duration patents would increase the delay of innovations but it will also cause longer R&D costs. Also the consummer surplus will be low as long as the patent goes as they really benefit from the innovations when the patents are over.
Personally, I think something like 3 years patents could be good. It protects the innovators during a reasonnable period so that they can develop their software quietly but it also push them to not take it too easy. After that period, the other companies could use the ideas without being restricted by the patents to develop something by their own way, espacially in the industry of software where progress is continuous. Furthermore, it allows consumers to benefit from these innovations while they are still modern.
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To determine the right patent duration, we should take into considerations, as the Nordhaus model suggests, the incentives to innovate and the social benefits from use by consumers and other firms after the patent expires. I think that companies should be rewarded for their innovations, but patent protection may not be the best solution.
In the 80’s, Edwin Mansfield conducted studies to analyze the effects patents have on technological innovation, the conclusion is: “Excluding drug innovations, the lack of patent protection would have affected less than one-fourth of the patented innovations in our sample.” (See: http://mises.org/journals/jls/15_4/15_4_3.pdf)
What about software patents?
1. I think that software patents are important for companies, to protect their innovations against copying and counterfeiting. By suppressing this protection, the benefits from being the first-mover will be reduced and the incentives to innovate will be almost nonexistent. In this situation the best strategy would be to just wait for competitors to bring something new to the market and copy it.
2. But not everything should be patentable and in this sense I agree with the European Patent Office’s approach, what must be protected is not the methods of software operations but the code behind it. But this position is untenable with the US patent law. Indeed, the big market for software is in the US, companies, wherever they are, take the US patent law into consideration. Harmonization is needed and, in my opinion, towards the European Patent Office’s approach.
3. What must be avoided is using patent protection as a way to hinder competing firms form developing their own products using existing innovations or from researching and developing software in the same area. Nowadays companies use the protection provide by patents in a perverse way and they may have forgotten that what makes a company successful is neither its patents nor its competitors ‘power but just the value it brings to the market, to the customers… Innovation must not be thought in terms of competition but in terms of leap in value.
My “solution” would be to keep the patent system but with a duration up to 5 years, to give the companies a considerable first mover advantage. And during this period, if other companies need the software, the two firms could agree on some type of compensation (money, software uses…). I realize that this sound a bit naïve but I think that some changes must be done in the patent system and as Google’s chief lawyer Kent Walker said: “Each side can blow the other up on some level – everybody can block the other’s products from coming to market. You create this mutually assured destruction scenario” (see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jul/26/google-software-patents-warning)
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Concerning the debate about software patents, copyrights and trademarks I would like to point out, that the Bernoulli Numbers, which are the basis for all computer programs and software, have never been patented.
On the one hand it is irrefutable, that there are difficulties in dealing with patents for software and especially distinguishing between an idea and a concept. Each bit of code could be argued to be potentially patentable and at the same time the dynamic and innovative industry leads to a shortage of available experts, who could evaluate both the concept and value of the code.
On the other hand companies and individuals want to have an exclusive right to sell and trade their software. They put forward the necessity to create investments and to compensate exogenous sunk costs for development.
It occurs to me that the bigger the companies involved in software industry become, the higher is the amount of invested money and the greater are the incentives to gain patents. Nowadays the disputes about patents are raging and even the biggest companies are involved (e.g. Samsung, Apple and Microsoft).
The previous comments have analysed the negative impacts on patents very precisely, concerning market inefficiency of a monopoly market structure, a lack of investments and a dead weight loss for the population. But I would like to stress the fact that patent and copyright is not just protecting individuals and companies but also national economies and trade balances. That is why all MEDC’s are dealing with the political issue of patents and the protection of intellectual property.
In order to answer the question concerning the duration of patents I wondered how a world without software patents would look like. In fact, for many commercial software programs there is a substitute of free software available. Therefore it seems rather unlikely that patents are creating innovation. But it cannot be proved if commercial software was transferred into free software or vice versa.
Based on the software industry today, dealing with progressive and dynamic markets, most innovations are created in teams at modest costs. As a result the cost differences between inventing and copying are not as high as they are for the pharmaceutical industry for example. So there is no need to protect software for a long period of time. I would approve the duration of a patent for 2 or 3 years, keeping in mind the great importance of lock-in effects for business applications in big companies. The investments for retraining and lost working hours are the cost drivers of a software change, which is therefore avoided.
In my opinion the implementation of web 2.0 and the following hype of cloud computing, creates a platform for experts where they can communicate and exchange ideas. The public and often private cloud solutions for software as a service offer a developer toolkit and interfaces to other programs, so that the software can be personified.
Show lessThe effects of cloud computing on intellectual property is certainly an interesting topic for future research.
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Software patents have been under heavy debate in recent time, since their actual use has become more and more questionable. One should assess the purpose and the implication of a patent before voicing an opinion on its optimal length.
An optimal patent system should be designed in mind to maximize social welfare. Patents are necessary to give companies incentives to invest in research and development. If their inventions and products are not protected by the law, third parties will exploit their efforts and neither pay royalties nor spend money themselves on research and development. Thus, innovation will seize. On the other hand, if a patent is too restrictive or its duration is too long, companies will charge monopoly prices resulting in an unnecessary dead weight loss. Additionally, consecutive research by competitors may be harmed impairing technological development in general.
At the time of its inauguration patents were intended to protect tangible inventions that were deemed sophisticated enough to provide the ground for a new product. Extending this notion to intangible products might appear to be a consecutive choice, but the world of software is far different from the world of tangible products. This becomes obvious when looking at the current implications the software patent system in the United States has.
Most software patents are issued for algorithms. They are in general only of value if applied in a specific programming environment. Software is normally shipped in a form of machine-readable-only code. Reverse-engineering foreign code just for trying to find potential performance enhancements for your own code is an endeavor just not worth the effort. Software has become far too complex and before adapting foreign code to your own needs, it’s easier too develop a custom solution tailored to your framework. On top of that, by filing a patent for your algorithm, you actually reveal your innovation. Proving that someone has actually stolen your idea and used your specific algorithm in his own application is hard to prove.
An important aspect of patents is fostering innovation. Since devising and infringing on software patents has become so easy, when writing code a company must put a lot of resources into filing patents themselves for their own software and analyzing their own code for potential patent infringement. This actually harms the process of innovation.
Small time spans make a huge difference in the modern days of software development. Even a five year duration for software patents can give a single company a huge advantage over its competitors. However, this advantage does not play out in protecting and fostering innovation, but in having leverage over your competitors regarding litigation. Patents are used rather as weapons in court to harm your competitors instead of outperforming them by offering better products.
Current copyright serves software companies enough in protecting their interests. Therefore, I totally agree with the guideline of the European Patent Office. A patent should only be issued, if the software causes a further technical effect. There is no need for patents for any other form of software. Otherwise IBM might also try to patent the 40 minute meeting (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/08/2046215/IBM-Invents-40-Minute-Meetings ) or changing colors of email texts (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/16/1917253/IBM-Patents-Changing-Color-of-E-Mail-Text ) in Europe.
Show lessYou’re perfectly right in stressing that copyright protection also works for software.
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With this comment I would like to address some of the issues around the software patent debate, and hopefully give some new insights to the discussion.
Firstly, looking towards U.S. patent laws, the U.S. Constitution states in its patent laws, that patents should “promote the progress of science and useful arts”. By using the framework of the Nordhaus-model the objective would be to determine the right balance between the incentive to innovate and the social benefits from use by consumers and other firms after the patent expires. With patents being issued right, left and center with durations up to 20 years, this allows companies to exploit monopoly power while also hindering competing firms from researching and developing software in the same area. And if you consider how this affects social welfare by exploiting the consumers with high prices, there really is a simple answer. And if you have a look at the recent competition in the smartphone segment with lawsuits being thrown in every direction between competing firms like Samsung, Apple, Motorola and others, you could ask yourself: Does this promote the progress of science and useful arts? Hardly so.
Another issue of how companies can obtain patents for simple software functions is beyond me. The breadths of some of the patents that get approved are simply astonishing, and limits research and development, and innovations in the same area greatly. If you look at Apple for instance, every function they try to incorporate in their smartphones, will be patented, or at least tried patented, to ensure other companies from copying them. But the techniques used in Apple smartphones are not innovations that haven’t been used before. Multi-touch is a great example, and was when introduced for the iPhones in 2007, claimed by Apple as a new invention, even though multi-touch had been in use for decades already by IBM and Mitsubishi. So, with Apple’s thinking, it is okay to steal from others, but not let others steal from you?
Kirby Ferguson, the inventor of the web-series “Everything is a Remix” (1), interestingly addresses the above question in his speech about patents and copyrights at a Ted-convention earlier this year called “Embrace the Remix” (2). He claims that all creative work is to a certain extent based on the work of others. And here it is vital to differentiate between basing your work on others, and simply copying it.
The incentive to innovate will in my opinion be hindered if you issue patents for everything, at such durations as you do today, as you thereby restrain the creative process of innovation. An option would therefore be to limit patents to a duration of only a few (1-3 years), but I feel that traditional copyrights will serve the software industry as good as patenting, as it allows for a more efficient market economically, and promotes the creative process in a greater way.
You can argue that creativity comes from without, and not from within, as we look at others, and we invent and create new ideas based on the work of others. Just like this blogpost is based on the work of others, like Kirby Ferguson (1) and Richard Posner (3), and then remixed with my added thoughts and ideas.
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Sources:
1. Kirby Ferguson (2012) Everything is a Remix, Retrieved October 16, 2012 from http://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/
2. Kirby Ferguson (2012) Embrace the remix, Retrieved October 16, 2012 from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1s_PybOuY0
3. Richard Posner (2012) Why there are too many patents in America, Retreieved October 16, 2012 from http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/why-there-are-too-many-patents-in-america/259725/
Show lessVery good. Thanks for the references. Hopefully, others will now remix your comment by adding their own thoughts.
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Before I delve into the abyss of software patent grants and deliver my recommendation to how long these patents ought to be, there is a fundamental question that must be addressed: Why do we have patents in the first place?
Obviously, the purpose of patents is to encourage innovation. Without patents, the producer of the novel software inventions will have no guarantee that the program script, or the basic concepts behind the program, is stolen and duplicated by a rival firm. It is a fact that developing (sunk) costs are the most substantial costs of software companies. If bigger firms can rip off new entrants or smaller firms by copying their goods as soon as they reach the market, the potential gains from software innovations would sink dramatically. Firms depend on profits, and if the net profit value of an innovation is likely to fall below zero, well then the product will never be made.
Clearly, this would mean fewer innovations and less technological progress, which is unfavourable to both the innovative firms and the consumers. Patents and a following short-term monopoly is thus a necessary “evil” to boost the net profit value of the firm above zero and bring about innovations. Someone here explained that this argument is wrong, because of an underrated lock-in effect. If there exists first-mover advantages, or the firm is able to reach a critical mass of clients before the rivals are able to duplicate the product, then the lock-in effect clearly will solve the social problem of the quasi-monopoly that follows the patent grant. However, for most software innovations, I believe the switching costs are only proportional with the amount of time invested in the software. Thus, as long as the competitors respond quickly enough, the consumers are likely to consider the launch of a superior product. (At least that is what I usually do). So, the lock-in effect does not always apply, and thus I believe we need patents to secure innovation.
However, the duration of the patent cannot be too long, as this will prolong the deadweight loss of the monopoly, and strangle competition. You mentioned 20 years as a maximum proposed amount of time for a patent grant. This is no good solution. To put this in perspective, let us consider AltaVista, founded in 1995. Once upon a time, Altavista was the king of web searches. If granted a wide patent for free, ad-based web searches (based on algorithms) on the Internet, which they based their business model on, Altavista could still have triumphed as a monopolist on the world wide web, meaning that Google, founded in 1998 and viewed as one of the most innovative firms in the World, might never have come to light. Of course, that did not happen, but it highlights my point that too wide and long patents are not exclusively positive for innovation either.
So to sum it up, too many and too long patents hurt competition, while too few hurt innovation. In both cases, the consumers end up as the loosing part. In a fast-pace market such as the software industry, my opinion is that patents should not be longer than 2 years. This should be sufficiently incentive to innovate in R&D, without strangling competition for too long.
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First of all, I would like to underline that the origin of the patent is a specific right to ownership, in order to pretect the inventor of a new invention from others making or using the claimed of the invention. Therefore, the patent assignement procedure should be, according to me, easier and cheaper for the inventor in order to protect the ownership of the concept.
Let’s take the example of a company not spending money on R&D but rather finding different concepts that could be developped and not (yet) protected. The procedure, in Europe and in the US, may still be complicated and should be simplified. Regarding the cost of such a procedure, fees should vary depending on the type of patent application. The long and costly procedure could be considered as an obstacle to the developpment, the innovation and, therefore, the economic growth.
Nevertheless, as explained in the article, the problem occuring regarding patents is that many people may try to patent everything they can, without concrete idea or with too vague developpment. Therefore, strong criteria and proof of developpment of the idea should nevertheless be required.
Regarding the lenght of the patent, a too short timing (2 years) would prevent the inventor to develop idea or invention and allow other companies to benfit from other’s inventions. On the other side, a too long period (20 years) will result in firms resting on laurels and getting the benefits of the patent, which is not efficient on markets where innovation is indispensable, as underlined by Matthieu Goffin on his comment. Therefore, I would say that a 8-to-10 years duration would motivate inventors to work on new project and companies to invest in R&D, once again to stimulate the innovation and to boost the economy.
As a matter of conclusion, I am deeply convinced that the procedure of getting a patent should be faster and cheaper, while the criteria of the patent should be strenghtened in order to avoid too broad patent, allowing the holders to claim the ownership a different other idea. On top of that, patent allocation in Europe and in the US should be harmonized in order to promote innovation all around the world.
Show lessI agree about the necessity of harmonizing patents in Europe and in the US. But in which direction? Towards the European or towards the American standards?
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For most technologies, it is pretty straightforward to apply Nordhaus’ model in order to determine the optimal length of a patent.
Show lessOne of the most obvious examples would be of course pharmaceuticals; without the patent system, pharmaceutical companies would not invest such huge amounts of money in R&D. They know that once they acquire a new technology, they are guaranteed a temporary monopoly. As a policy maker, it is necessary to take into account the monopolist’s profits incentive as well as the total social surplus on the long-term, which is why patents are finite in time so that after some time, once the producer has made a good profit out of the new product, it becomes available at marginal cost.
However, in the software industry, it seems as things are a bit trickier. As explained earlier in the article, using the patent system on software products is rather different than in other more “traditional” technological sectors. I see two main reasons why the patent system would be hard to apply to the software industry:
1. Although there are indeed R&D costs in software, it is a tiny fraction of the cost of R&D incurred by other industries such as pharmaceuticals, automobile, etc…
2. It is much harder to define the patent when it comes to software and it usually ends up giving firms a monopoly on “ideas” rather than actual technological processes.
For the reasons mentioned above, I would hence recommend a small patent duration (1 to 4 years). Since R&D costs in software are pretty low in the software industry, they can be compensated very quickly once the owner gets the patent, and there is no need for long patents.
The fact that software patents usually end up giving monopolies on “ideas” rather than actual technologies, I would argue for a short patent duration; A longer patent duration would create a barrier to innovation from the other firms in the market and would negatively impact the total social surplus on the long-run.
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In what follows, I argue for a very short (although without formal models and actual figures it is difficult to be specific with respect to the actual number of years) duration of software patents and follow the line of reasoning provided by Bessen and Maskin in “Sequential innovation, patents and imitation” (2009). According to their argument, some industries (with the software one being the exponent) are based on sequential innovation (each future innovation builds upon the ones that preceded it, for instance reusing the same code lines) and complementary innovation (each potential innovator has a different research approach and therefore improves the chances of the innovation to be successful).
Show lessOne important aspect in this context is the entry cost. Even though the innovation cycle seems to be much shorter in the software industry than in any other, the software development still comports significant investment costs, if not in the “equipment” used, certainly in the skills employed. Thus, entry in the industry will not occur spontaneously and will not compete away the entire initial innovator’s profit. Consequently, the first innovators might still benefit from a first-mover advantage, with the returns to innovation being less driven by patents, but by lead time and learning-curve advantages, as outlined also by Levin et al, in their paper “Appropriating the Returns from Industrial Research and Development” (1987).
There exists also a timing problem in the software patents. Usually, software innovations are made available on the market before their creator is granted a patent protection. According to Perchaud (“Software patents and innovation”, 2003), it takes around 18-24 months in Europe to get a patent, by which time the innovation is already outdated or a similar software might have already been put on the market.
Moreover, a distinct feature of the software industry is the “network effect”, which will create a pseudo-monopoly effect (the developed software will self-select according to the ones that manage to acquire the biggest customer base). Even more, once a customer base is gained, companies have at their disposal tools for keeping it – for instance, switching cost or the selling of regular subscriptions instead of a one-time purchase. This is further increased by the interoperability problem – once a client decides to switch to another software, he might need to make further adjustments, also costly, which might persuade him not to do it after all. Throughout the literature, there exist several empirical studies that have shown how companies that were given the strongest patent protection reduced their R&D costs (contrary to what the standard arguments suggest), such as Bessen & Hunt, “An empirical look at software patents”, 2004 (this comes in agreement to what my colleague Roman has emphasized theoretically, that a monopoly structure with no entry threat has less incentive to innovate than a monopoly industry threatened by entry, which we also proved in the first problem set).
Looking at the problem from the other perspective of the market, that of the consumer, the longer the patent protection, the lower the value accrued to customers and, more broadly, to the society, especially in a fast-moving industry like software, where products become obsolete at a high speed.
All of the arguments outlined above can be fitted into the proposed model of “software useright”, which proposes to distinguish between two markets: a market for the rights to copy software (for consumers) and a second market for the rights to imitate software functionality (for further innovations) and for which copyright seems more appropriate.
Deep analysis and interesting references. Thanks.
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In my opinion, the main problem in this context is even more patent breadth and not necessarily patent length. The problem of companies infringing patents they had never heard of before reported in New York Times article depends less on whatever duration is chosen for the patent but by what can be registered as a patent in the first place. This is the main challenge for policy makers in the question of patent legislation in the next years. A patent system that was developed in a “mechanical world” needs adaptation to fit into the context of new media and technologies. If patents are granted on a very broad basis and cover even general concepts of thought, they no longer fulfill their intended role as incentive to innovate but become the “destructive weapons” they are described as in the NYT article with the main purpose of discouraging competition and innovation in the market.
According to Nordhaus, the policy maker needs to balance different forces when deciding on a socially optimal patent legislation. On one hand, a potential innovator needs to have his risk of investing in R&D covered and profits ensured to have an incentive to innovate. On the other hand, patents decrease the consumer surplus and (and this is the main point in the IT sector I think) increase the cost of R&D and therefore the incentive and capacity to innovate for other firms. On this basis the whole structure of the IT sector has changed dramatically over the past years, in my opinion in a not favorable direction. A sector that had been characterized by a large number of exits and entries of small innovative firms in the market by now has become to a large extent dominated by a number of big multinational enterprises. Even if we see competition as not necessarily encouraging to innovation, the amount of money that is wasted in lawsuits to protect/attack patents represents to high deadweight losses to be neglected. One key feature that spurred the fast uprising of the IT sector has been the fact that major innovations could be undertaken by relatively small firms because of comparably low R&D cost in comparison with sectors like the pharmaceutical sector. Thanks to the current patent legislation, this entrepreneurial and innovative spirit of the sector seems to have diminished over the last decade.
To return to the starting question about the advisable time I have to admit that I am lacking detailed knowledge about the sector so that my advice is more of a lucky guess, but given the speed in which development still occurs in the IT sector everything above 3 years just sounds bizarre to me. Putting my thoughts on breadth and length of patents together, I would opt for a quite liberal patent legislation concerning software for two reasons:
1) The cost of R&D in the sector is low compared to sectors like the pharmaceutical or mechanical sectors. Innovations can be achieved at relatively low cost and risk. And something else that I don’t see captured by Nordhaus’ model: given the still low average age and dynamics in the sector, I would say that there is still something like a high “intrinsic” propensity to innovate in the sector (is there sth like this in any model? Would be interesting to see it). Therefore innovation doesn’t require huge incentives via patents, it is absolutely sufficient to just cover risks of the innovator with the patent.
2) As it works currently, the social cost that are caused by hindering innovation of other companies that don’t have the patent but could innovate if they were given more freedom to use it clearly outweighs the benefits of setting an incentive for one company.
Show lessGood. In reaction to your first point (about incentives to innovate in the software sector), the open source movement is worth paying attention to. Future commentators may want to elaborate on that.
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In my point of view no patent protection is more effective than if there is any kind of protection. What is the main point of a patent? It is the exclusive right of a winning company to be the only one producer of certain goods (in our case software) – so a winning firm becomes a monopoly on the market of this certain software for the time declared by the patent. I would like to point out some problems which are caused by this situation:
1. Market inefficiency – a monopoly market structure with no possibility to entry (due to patent right) is less efficient than other market structures (e.g. monopoly market structure with open entry to industry). The output on this market would be lover than it’s optimal and price would be higher.
2. Lack of motivation to innovate – there would be no or only a little motivation for innovations and improvement of protected software (especially in the case of long-term patents). It would lead to conservation of the market.
3. Huge sunk costs – costs of all opponents who tried to develop the same software are sunk costs after introduction of the patent. Sunk costs are very high in software industry because share of tangible goods are relatively less and intangible goods are almost worthless after introduction of patent.
On the market without patent protection we can expect a typical “creative destruction” – replacing old software by new ones which can lead to better software sold for lower prices.
In my opinion argumentation that firms would have no motivation to invent are not right, because the winning company will be a short term monopoly which has great power to lock-in their customers. Lock-in effect is so underestimated in case of software patent policy although the lock-in effect is very strong regarding software (good example is an accounting and management software – e.g. SAP).
After considering the lock-in effect we can see that short-term monopolistic position can be sufficient for building a strong market position, so there is still big motivation for firms to invent. Winning firm, moreover, would be forced to improve their software product because it would be on the market with free entry. Consequences are that other competitors can still continue with development of their software and try to overcome the winning firm.
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In my comment, I would like to state my opinion concerning the topic of patenting software and the patent’s duration.
As mentioned in William Nordhaus’ framework, the innovator is willing to invest more funds in R&D the longer the innovation is protected by patent. This leads to the question, how long innovations should be protected by patent, since the federal institutions have to ponder the trade-off between granting protection to increase the innovator’s incentives and social benefits for consumers and other companies after expiration of the patent. With a view to the fast pace of software innovations, it seems reasonable to aim for a short protection duration, because referring to Nordhaus, the deadweight loss on inventions is inevitable and will only be prolonged by a longer protection duration.
My first thought was: is it really necessary to patent software? First of all, we have to distinguish between a patent and copyright. While patents are designed to protect innovations that are non-obvious and provide one or more new benefits for users or further R&D, copyrights tend to protect the innovator’s property rights for a certain creation, regardless of the usefulness. So the first step would be to identify if software indeed matches the requirements for patent protection. Software is basically composed of algorithms and therefore it is no surprise that there are controversies about patenting software, because it might arise doubts about the possibility of patenting mathematics.
As a consequence of patenting software, it is easy for the patent holder to identify infringements of competitors, because some algorithms which are part of the patent might appear in software solutions of other companies. From this it follows that in many cases big companies like Microsoft or Apple start to sue their competitors for infringement, even if the competitors developed their software independently without copying.
Due to the controversies of patenting software, I think copyright protection could be the better choice, because it makes it easier for other developers to add new features to an innovation, instead of granting the patent holder a quasi-monopoly for the innovation. If I had to recommend the patent duration for software, it would be the shortest time (maybe 2 years) that allows the innovator to create competitive advantages in the market and afterwards the technology should be accessible to everyone in order to achieve the highest possible social benefits.
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In the following I will give my opinion regarding patents and patent durations for software.
Pros: I think, without any patents no one would have the incentive to innovate, because you have to invest a lot of money to find out new systems and technologies. The longer the patent duration is (but only up to a certain level!), the higher is the incentive to invest more in R&D (see Nordhaus model). If there are no patents, other enterprises could use your innovations without having spent any money. The incentive for an enterprise to innovate is to have or to use something, that nobody else has. If you spent a lot of money in R&D, you want to achieve an advantage out of it. So patents function as a protection.
As a result, I think it is important to award patents for software, but it should be discussed how long the duration of such a patent should be. It is a big problem, when patents are valid for 20 years. The computer software industry is a very fast one. It is kind of impossible to predict the next 20 years. Even a 2-year horizon, which should be the longest duration in my opinion, is a challenge.
Contras: To get a software patent is very expensive and thus risky. Most companies can’t afford this risk. The result is that only a few companies (or monopoly) are able to be active in the software domain. As a result, software users have only a very little choice between different products, which give the patent-owning companies kind of might.
Another disadvantage is, that a patented software feature cannot be implemented from other software developers for 20 years (if this is the duration) without permission from the patent holder. But today there are tens of thousands of software patents and it is kind of impossible to keep an overview, especially for smaller companies. So the risk to get a punishment is very high, what could lead again to a monopoly.
Summarized, I think in such a fast industry like the software industry it is hard to find the perfect solution for patent durations. On the one hand, patents provide protection to those who invested a lot of money in innovations. This protection should be continued, but not for 20 years. On the other hand, patents can eliminate smaller companies from the competition, which leads to oligopoly or even monoploy.
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When we are dealing with innovation and consequently patent issues, we are dealing with the economy of knowledge. This means that it’s necessary giving a value to the knowledge and this value has to be shared by all the actors in the market. In my opinion, this is the starting point for reasoning on the problem of the patents’ lasting.
The protection of knowledge is one of the main engine that characterizes the market and that influences the development of a nation in terms of investments, prices, costs and demand. Patents are the basis of the protection of the not-excludability of a good, as the knowledge is. The problem relies on the duration of it. The duration influences the incentives to invest : starting from the Nordhaus’ framework, it’s possible stating that: a long duration leads to:
• a value loss of software/innovation, giving to the consumer a good with a value that it’s not the real one – the value of an innovation decreases with respect to the time passing – ;
• a decreasing willingness of innovator to invest because a long patent duration could create monopolistic market.
All the factors related to the usage of an investment and to the development are strictly related with the patents’ durability. The durability has to be such that maximizes the innovator profits – a time period for which the innovator maximizes its investment in R&D – and doesn’t waste too much time for increasing the surplus of the consumer.
In my opinion, the time of patents’ durability cannot be zero, because this means zero profits for the innovator, addressing to falls in investments and very slow development; it cannot be even twenty years because this means a reluctance on working on new projects that would never be patented and remunerated as the previous one. Thus, I think that the durability has to be a number of years between zero and twenty but balanced with the necessity of the innovator to having back what he has spent for his investment. I’m saying this because the certainty of having back the investment could be seen as an incentive for innovating and the security of not having losses. More investments create more competition and a more efficient market.
I know this view could have even some lacks, come from the asymmetry of information between the innovators’ statement of money spent for investing and a due office that register this declaration of investment.
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In the post above, some arguments are given to keep actual patent length, to reduce it or to change the breadth and the application on software patents. I think the breadth would regulate by itself if we adapt the length of these patents. I will then give my opinion about the best length of the patents and explain why it will automatically change the breadth.
The first important point is that I exclude the possibility to delete patents because of the incentives it gives. In theory, without patents, the knowledge spreads out to all firms and it results in a bigger surplus for the consumers and the society. Unfortunately, without patents, there won’t be any incentives to innovate and then there won’t be any knowledge to spread.
There is now another question: if we have patents, what is the best length of these patents? Here I want to explain that if the patents are to long (unlimited or even 15-20 years), there will be little innovations with big profit for one company, nothing for the others and nothing for the consumer. The next big innovation will be after the patent limit, when the basis knowledge can be used to develop new softwares. We don’t want to wait 20 years between each improvement in softwares.
There is no innovation without past innovations. The length of the patents has to be the shortest possible because innovators need previous knowledge to create new softwares, which will give them profit during the patent and will be accessible to others firms to redevelop softwares after the patent.
Since there is no need of big fixed capital investment to develop innovative softwares or software firms, there is no need of long patents that allow to spread the amortization in many years. Furthermore, softwares are quick to enter the all market and rapidly generate profits.
The best length for the patent is then a length that interests developers to make innovation (the marginal dynamic gain of Nordhaus model) but that is as short as possible to decrease the marginal static loss. We have to calculate in how many years a software in general is profitable and we put the length to this number of years.
As far as I’m concerned, I would recommend a 3 years patent but I didn’t study the software market so I should follow my recommendations (search for the average length before profitability) before giving appropriate advice.
As I said in the beginning, I will now explain the natural regulation of breadth with shorter patents. Nowadays, some patents seems to be too broad because companies try to protect their idea and all derivations of this idea even if it doesn’t exist yet. With a 3 year patent, they won’t patent ideas that are not developed because they won’t be able to re-patent it when (or maybe “if” instead) they find derivations of their original software and it will fall into public knowledge before it is profitable. They will patent their idea and they have 3 years to derivate other patents before that others can use the first patent to derivate their own ideas.
I want to end up with one more recommendation, which is for politics but has an impact on the optimal patent length. There should exist an agreement on software patent length between every patent office for two reasons. First of all, softwares are easy to put in different markets all over the world. It is then easier to make rapid profits and the patent length may therefore decrease. If the product is imitate directly when it reaches new markets, firms won’t account it in their incentives to innovate. Secondly, due to globalisation and minimal need of fixed capital for softwares, knowledge can reach every innovator in the world and an agreement on patents would lead to better communications and more innovations as new technology reach everybody.
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In the followings lines, I will give my opinion about the duration of software patents. And I’ll try to give an optimal period of time. To help me in this work, I will use the conclusions of the William Nordhaus’s framework.
First of all, I think it’s very important to give patent in a sector such competitive like the software’s market. If we don’t give patent in this sector, the firms won’t have the incentive to innovate. For example, if in the US we give patent and not in Europe, all of the computer companies will leave the Europe to go in America where they will be able to increase their benefits. If we don’t give patents, most of the firms will wait for the discoveries in the others firms; so no firms will innovate. And in this sector each discovery helps the other researcher to innovate. It’s very important to give incentive to innovate.
But it will be ridiculous to give a patent for a long period (like 20 years by example) in this sector. Because it’s a sector in evolution and it is exponential. So if we give a patent for 20 years, the firm will rest on laurels and it is not efficient on this market where the innovation is indispensable, a discovery is rapidly obsolete.
The William Nordhaus’s frameworks say that to find the optimal level duration, we have to make a compromise between two effects: a marginal dynamic gain (give incentive to innovate) and a marginal static loss (the consumer surplus decrease).
For me, I thing that the optimal duration must be short: like one or two years. I will explain why I thing that. One or two years patent is enough to give the incentive to innovate (because the technology is quickly obsolete). If we don’t d deserve patent for long period, we will decrease the entry barriers in this sector. So new entrant will also innovate and develop the knowledge in this sector. And these innovations may be enabling the incumbent firms to discover new things. And from the point of view of the consumer it’s a better thing to allow a patent for one or two years rather than a longer; the deadweight loss will disappear. And the last argument is if we deserve patent for a very short period, we reduce the number of so broad patent.
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